The Chinese agenda

It's not my fault Chinese women feel oppressed by their culture and government. It's also not my fault what they do in retaliation.

 

Incorrect propaganda? Honestly no "American Genocide"? You are in denial mood.

Following are excerpts from an article headlined “Native American Genocide Still Haunts United States” at http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

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……Still, what we mustn't forget is that mass killing of Native Americans occurred in our own country. As a result, bigotry and racial discrimination still exist.

"In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue" . . . and made the first contact with the "Indians." For Native Americans, the world after 1492 would never be the same. This date marked the beginning of the long road of persecution and genocide of Native Americans, our indigenous people. Genocide was an important cause of the decline for many tribes.

"By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.

In 1493, when Columbus returned to the Hispaniola, he quickly implemented policies of slavery and mass extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years, five million were dead. Las Casas, the primary historian of the Columbian era, writes of many accounts of the horrors that the Spanish colonists inflicted upon the indigenous population: hanging them en mass, hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog feed, and other horrid cruelties. The works of Las Casas are often omitted from popular American history books and courses because Columbus is considered a hero by many, even today.

Mass killing did not cease, however, after Columbus departed. Expansion of the European colonies led to similar genocides. "Indian Removal" policy was put into action to clear the land for white settlers. Methods for the removal included slaughter of villages by the military and also biological warfare. High death rates resulted from forced marches to relocate the Indians.

The Removal Act of 1830 set into motion a series of events which led to the "Trail of Tears" in 1838, a forced march of the Cherokees, resulting in the destruction of most of the Cherokee population." The concentration of American Indians in small geographic areas, and the scattering of them from their homelands, caused increased death, primarily because of associated military actions, disease, starvation, extremely harsh conditions during the moves, and the resulting destruction of ways of life.

During American expansion into the western frontier, one primary effort to destroy the Indian way of life was the attempts of the U.S. government to make farmers and cattle ranchers of the Indians. In addition, one of the most substantial methods was the premeditated destructions of flora and fauna which the American Indians used for food and a variety of other purposes. We now also know that the Indians were intentionally exposed to smallpox by Europeans. The discovery of gold in California, early in 1848, prompted American migration and expansion into the west. The greed of Americans for money and land was rejuvenated with the Homestead Act of 1862. In California and Texas there was blatant genocide of Indians by non-Indians during certain historic periods. In California, the decrease from about a quarter of a million to less than 20,000 is primarily due to the cruelties and wholesale massacres perpetrated by the miners and early settlers. Indian education began with forts erected by Jesuits, in which indigenous youths were incarcerated, indoctrinated with non-indigenous Christian values, and forced into manual labor. These children were forcibly removed from their parents by soldiers and many times never saw their families until later in their adulthood. This was after their value systems and knowledge had been supplanted with colonial thinking. One of the foundations of the U.S. imperialist strategy was to replace traditional leadership of the various indigenous nations with indoctrinated "graduates" of white "schools," in order to expedite compliance with U.S. goals and expansion.

Probably one of the most ruinous acts to the Indians was the disappearance of the buffalo. For the Indians who lived on the Plains, life depended on the buffalo. At the beginning of the nineteenth century, there were an estimated forty million buffalo, but between 1830 and 1888 there was a rapid, systematic extermination culminating in the sudden slaughter of the only two remaining Plain herds. By around 1895, the formerly vast buffalo populations were practically extinct. The slaughter occurred because of the economic value of buffalo hides to Americans and because the animals were in the way of the rapidly westward expanding population. The end result was widescale starvation and the social and cultural disintegration of many Plains tribes.

Genocide entered international law for the first time in 1948; the international community took notice when Europeans (Jews, Poles, and other victims of Nazi Germany) faced cultural extinction. The "Holocaust" of World War II came to be the model of genocide. We, as the human race, must realize, however, that other genocides have occurred. Genocide against many particular groups is still widely happening today. The discrimination of the Native American population is only one example of this ruthless destruction. (End excerpts)

In the olden days, sailors (of course the European sailors were no exceptions) died of scurvy in long voyages due to the lack of vitamin C. Instead of having the luxury of eating fresh fruits and vegetables on the way, they might have consumed large quantities of toxic mushrooms instead.

1. Following are excerpts from an article on “vitamin C” at http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=109

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…..Vitamin C serves a predominantly protective role in the body. As early as the 1700's, vitamin C was referred to as the "antiscorbutic factor," since it helped prevent the disease called scurvy. This disease was first discovered in British sailors, whose sea voyages left them far away from natural surroundings for long periods of time. Their body stores of vitamin C fell below 300 milligrams, and their gums and skin lost the protective effects of vitamin C. Recognizing limes as a good shipboard source of vitamin C, the British sailors became known as "limeys" for carrying large stores of limes aboard ship……. (End excerpts)

2. Please read about “Scurvy” at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy

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Scurvy was at one time common among sailors, pirates and others aboard ships at sea longer than perishable fruits and vegetables could be stored (subsisting instead only on cured and salted meats and dried grains) and by soldiers similarly separated from these foods for extended periods. It was described by Hippocrates (c. 460 BC–c. 380 BC), and herbal cures for scurvy have been known in many native cultures since prehistory. Scurvy was one of the limiting factors of marine travel, often killing large numbers of the passengers and crew on long-distance voyages. This became a significant issue in Europe from the beginning of the modern era in the Age of Discovery in the 15th century, continuing to play a significant role through World War I in the 20th century.

Today scurvy is known to be caused by a nutritional deficiency, but until the isolation of vitamin C and its direct link to scurvy in 1932, numerous theories and treatments were proposed, often on little or no experimental data. This inconsistency is attributed to the lack of vitamin C as a distinct concept, the varying vitamin C content of different foods (notably present in fresh citrus, watercress, and organ meat), and how vitamin C can be destroyed by exposure to air and copper. (End excerpts)

3. Please read about toxic mushrooms in the article on “Mushroom” at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom

 

reedak told me in a PM that the Chinese government is mainly made up of men without penises.

What a great country you have!!

 

Bringing in biased and non-researched reports is not research. I can bring in similar things that show that the Earth is flat.

By far the most deaths in the Indian population was disease and alcoholism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics

Of course, I am of Indian descent, so I would know nothing about the subject.

Scurvy is an effect of malnutrition, it is not a contageous disease.

One of the worst plagues to ever hit Europe, the Bubonic Plage, came from China. It followed the Silk Road West, until it hit Constantinople, where it then jumped into Europe. And it killed between 1/3 and 2/3 of the entire population of Europe.

In fact, China seems to be the creation point of most plagues. The Plague of Justinian killed almost half the population of Constantinople in 541. There is a lesser known "Third Pandemic" that killed an estimated 12 million people in China and India alone in 1855. It did not spread out much more, but did kill over 60,000 in Imperialist Russia in 1877.

China has long been the source of a great many diseases. And it is still happening today, with SARS and Bird Flu.

So unless you want to blame China for most of the plagues of the last 1,000 years, then you should not blame the Europeans for the Indians getting sick from diseases.

Besides, the Indians gave one of their own back to the Europeans. Syphilis was a fairly benign disease among the islands that Columbus visited (it was mostly only noticed as a skin rash). But once it struck Europeans with a stronger disease resistance, it mutated and grew stronger.

 

I told you? It would sound more convincing to tell the world you have seen a cow jump over the moon. I guess that my late twin brother had appeared before you in your dream during your drunken stupor. It certainly does not augur well for you. If he has a fancy for you and appears a few more times before you, you should rush at once to the Ganges in India to wash away all your sins and misfortunes.

Please refer to the threads below to see what a great country you have!!!

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-agree-disagree-america-going-down-tubes.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/162483-self-serving-political-idiots-run-nation.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/128811-anarchy-coming-u-s.html

 

Wow, yet another one off-topic. And wow, what choices.

The first, one that I find hard to take seriously. Emmigrate to Japan? Well, if you want to live in what is probably the most xenophobic culture on the planet, go ahead. And I have lived in Japan, and love the people. But try talking to an immigrant, and see what kinds of rights they have.

Then another complaining of unemployment. From an article in the New York Slimes. Wow, and it never happened which shows how important that really was (the aid was not cut).

And another talking of comming Anarchy.

These are all over a year old, and none have happened yet. And none of these have a single thing to do with China either.

However, at least you got to give credit to the US in one area. When people here have peacfull gatherings, they do not respond with tanks, machine guns, and mass executions.

 

Yes, like Medved, Charen and other professional atrocity-deniers, you have been doggedly continuing your holocaust denial in typical American Style.

Tim Wise is among the most prominent anti-racist writers and activists in the U.S., and has been called, "One of the most brilliant, articulate and courageous critics of white privilege in the nation," by best-selling author and professor Michael Eric Dyson, of Georgetown University.

In the following article, he has done a brilliant job in refuting the argument of professional atrocity-deniers like you. Are you more brilliant and courageous than Tim Wise? I shall take off my hat to you if you were so brilliant as to be able to prove that the Earth is flat.

Following are excerpts from his article headlined “Holocaust Denial, American Style” at http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/holocaust-denial-american-style

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…….To begin, Medved and Charen suggest that to qualify as genocide, an action must, according to the 1948 UN Convention on Genocide, be carried out with the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, racial or religious group." As with the teacher who insisted that Indians died of disease and thus were hardly the victims of a holocaust, so too these professional atrocity-deniers, who claim the deaths of millions of indigenous persons was virtually an accident. Yet the specific acts carried out against native peoples here are all mentioned explicitly in Article 2 of the Genocide Convention, and as such fall under its aegis. According to the UN, such acts include:

a) Killing members of the group;
b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and/or,
e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Any of those things alone would qualify as an act of genocide, and yet each one of them has been part of the treatment received by indigenous persons at the hands of the U.S. government, or the pre-nationhood colonists. Indians were indeed killed, with the intent of destroying entire bands of natives, in whole or in part. Serious bodily and mental harm was surely inflicted, quite deliberately. Indians were removed from their homes and relocated in large numbers on reservations, which meets both clause b and c of the definition. Indian women were forcibly sterilized--as many as 100,000 during the twentieth century, and even as many as 3000 a year into the early 1970s--thereby satisfying clause d; and as many as 80% of all Indian children were forcibly removed from their homes and families and sent to boarding schools, while others were forcibly adopted-out to white families, and in both cases, stripped of native language, culture and religion during the 1900s, thereby meeting the final clause of the very definition Charen and Medved use to suggest that no genocide occurred.

Both Charen and Medved insist that since most Indians died of disease, rather than direct violence, they cannot be the victims of genocide, but seeing as how the definition of genocide fails to require mass death at all, this argument holds disturbingly little weight. Not to mention, had it not been for conquest, those diseases to which Indians had no resistance--and which colonists praised as the "work of God," clearing the land for them--wouldn't have ravaged the native populations as they did. To imply that such deaths were merely accidental or incidental would be like saying the Nazis bore no responsibility for the 1.6 million or so Jews who died of disease and starvation in the camps, rather than having been gassed or shot. But try saying that at your local neighborhood synagogue and see how far you get, with good reason.

Of course, there is more than enough evidence of the intentionality of Indian-killing to suggest that genocide occurred, even if we were to accept the inaccurate interpretation of the term's definition put forward by Charen and Medved.

And so we have George Washington in 1779, sending a letter to Major General John Sullivan, that he should "lay waste" to all Iroquois settlements, so that their lands may not be "merely overrun but destroyed."

And we have Thomas Jefferson telling his Secretary of War that any tribe that resisted the taking of their land by the United States must be met with force, and that once the hatchet of war had been raised, "we will never lay it down till that tribe is exterminated, or is driven beyond the Mississippi...in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them."

And we have Andrew Jackson overseeing the scalping of as many as 800 slaughtered Creek Indians at Tohopeka (Horseshoe Bend), and bragging of preserving the "sculps" of those he killed in battle. And then, during the Second Seminole War, we have Jackson admonishing the troops to "capture or destroy" all the nation's women and children.

Open and deliberate calls for mass murder and destruction of entire Indian peoples were common. So, for instance, during the laying of the Northern Pacific Railroad through the Montana territory, the area's chief of Indian affairs noted that if the Sioux (Lakota and Dakota) peoples continued to "molest" the laying of the track and the progress symbolized by it, a military force should be sent to punish them "even to annihilation."

In other words, that widespread death of indigenous peoples was the desired (thus intended) outcome of conquest is hard to deny. To suggest that no such intent existed, simply because so many millions succumbed to disease ignores not only that such diseases were welcomed and celebrated (and occasionally spread deliberately), but also implies that had Indian folk not died from disease, they would have been allowed to live and remain on their lands. Yet we know this is not true, any more than the Nazis would have allowed those Jews who died in the camps from typhus to live, had the disease never taken its toll. That disease made the land-clearing and conquest easier--and relieved the white man of the burden of having to actually fight for their spoils in many cases--hardly relieves the beneficiaries of the moral weight of such an end.

What is especially sad is that by excusing genocide, Charen and Medved (and others) perpetuate our identification with those who did the killing and thieving, rather than either the victims, or even the members of the dominant culture who stood against such depravities. Modern-day whites, for instance, could choose to identify with those persons of European descent who stood up against the taking of indigenous land and lives: people like Bartolome de las Casas, Jeremiah Evarts, or Helen Hunt Jackson, just to name a few. But we can hardly feel a kinship with such folks if we know nothing of them--and we know nothing of them, or little, because our schools have been so busy telling us of the heroism and greatness of the architects of genocide, rather than encouraging a connection with those who stood up and said no. That such whites have existed however, in all times and places during the spread of white supremacy, suggests there has always been a different path that we of European background could have chosen.

If we are to be thankful at this time of year, we should be thankful for their example. We should be thankful that within us resides the spark of decency that animated their resistance to the plans of the colonial elite, and later the Washingtons, Jeffersons and Jacksons of their day. We are capable of so much better than they, and we deserve far better role models than we have been offered up to now, by our teachers, or by syndicated columnists and talk-show hosts more interested in covering up evil than celebrating true bravery. (End excerpts)

Which “Indian descent” are you from: India or America? If you admit you “would know nothing about the subject”, what is the point for you to argue about? You are just slapping your own face or throwing a stone on your toes. It looks like you are slowly getting tired and confused like our friend drunken Joe.

 

Strange. I used to listen to Michael Medved for years. I never heard him deny the holocaust.

American Indian, naturally. To be specific, my great-grandfather was born on the Potawatomi reservation. And he lift it when it was still illegal for an Indian to leave the reservation.

He also spent his life denying he was an Indian, and changing his name constantly to hide the fact. We were able to find out more of his background after he died then we ever did when he was alive.

And I am hardly confused on this subject, although I think you are. this coprolite you are throwing out has been discredited by all respectable researchers. It is about as real as the "millions starved to death in the US during the Depression" stories that pop up in here from time to time.

However, if you want to continue to deny the fact that it never happened, that is fine. Because I am sure that you are much more knowledgeable then I am. Even though you have apparently never met an Indian, have no family that are Indians, and only know of what you read in unresearched books that read more like fantasy then history.

This must also be the most ineffective genocide in history. Since the Potawatomi population in 1778 was 2,250. By 1990 it was over 23,000.

 

And interestingly enough, you almost mention the Sullivan Expedition.

You claim that part of the basis for your case of Genocide is a letter from George Washington to Major General John Sullivan in 1779 which you state that "And so we have George Washington in 1779, sending a letter to Major General John Sullivan, that he should "lay waste" to all Iroquois settlements, so that their lands may not be "merely overrun but destroyed."

Well, that is not entirely accurate.

First, some background. When the US declaired independence, some tribes backed the British. Others backed the Americans. A great many others were neutral, seeing it as none of their business.

However, many (not all) of the Iroquios backed the British. Of the "Six Tribes" that compose the Iroquois Confederation (also known as the Iroquois Nation and the Six Tribes) that backed the British, you had the Mohawks, Cayugas, Onondagas, and the Senecas.

However, the Oneidas and Tuscaroras sided with the Colonists.

Now, what sense does it make to lay waste to your own allies? Well, it does not. Because you did not actually quote the letter as it was written. Here, let me ive you the actual letter:

Orders of George Washington to General John Sullivan, at Head-Quarters May 31, 1779

The Expedition you are appointed to command is to be directed against the hostile tribes of the Six Nations of Indians, with their associates and adherents. The immediate objects are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements, and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops now in the ground and prevent their planting more.

I would recommend, that some post in the center of the Indian Country, should be occupied with all expedition, with a sufficient quantity of provisions whence parties should be detached to lay waste all the settlements around, with instructions to do it in the most effectual manner, that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed.

But you will not by any means listen to any overture of peace before the total ruinment of their settlements is effected. Our future security will be in their inability to injure us and in the terror with which the severity of the chastisement they receive will inspire them.

Hmmm, quite different, is it not? This is not an order to destroy Indians, but an order given to eliminate the threat from hostile Indians. In fact, it very clearly states this is in effect against hostile tribes.

Not the entire Iroquois Nation.

 

China is an aggressive wannabe Empire that will reap what it sows.

 

Tim Wise is a White man. Why do people of color in America always look for White men to lead them and articulate their condition? Is there not something inexpressibly sad about people of color standing at the feet of the White Messiah? Tim Wise is the White Messiah for the colored folk. Unfortunately, the White Messiah has no prognosis for the maladies of colored folks.

 

So then America is in the same league as China in this respect. As long as we are clear on that. Remembering that in any given case what constitutes aggression tends to depend on which side you are seeing it from.

 

Yes.

Vietnam is going to invite the US Navy back to Cam Ranh Bay. That says a lot about forgiveness for the past and awareness of future risks.

 

The US isn't in boarder disputes with it's less powerful neighbors.

China is going to continue it's aggression toward our friends until the breaking point.

 

what friends vietnam, philippine? they just using us to get to china. when is the last time vietnam or philippine help us on middle east. they probably giggling at the background. after all they get a big borther to protect them without any string attached.

 

Looking for a coloured Messiah who was "colour blind"? Then look East for Confucius.

PART I - The Confucius Institute at Texas A&M University
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You were not listening but sleeping for years while he was talking.

The following links will wake you up.

1. "Michael Medved: Denier of American Indian Holocaust" at http://umbl0g.blogspot.com/2007/11/michael-medved-denier-of-american.html

2. "Michael Medved And Genocide Denial, AGAIN" at http://www.nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/196/

Excerpts from the above link:

Michael Medved therefore engages in "the highest form of hate speech and the last stage of genocide." He insults every deceased American Indian who ever was the victim of genocide, "madden(s), insult(s) and humiliate(s) the survivors," and does a "double killing" every time he does it.

 

America has much to learn from Confucianism and Taoism. However, I would like to observe that the Confucius Institute is funded worldwide by the Chinese Communist Party.

 

He dies not deny that atrocities happened. He, just as I, deny that it was a "Genocide".

And I looked through those sites. They were nothing but attacks on him because he disagrees that they atrocities (which by the way happened on both sides) meet the definition of "Genocide".

I agree, it was not Genocide. And you keep pulling us way off topic.

Tell you what, want to discuss this topic, make another thread dedicated to it. Otherwise, it has no place here.

 

Meaning of boarder: One who pays a stipulated sum in return for regular meals or for meals and lodging.

You are absolutely right. Americans must have lost their heads if they launch a war against boarders who bring in money from neighbouring countries.

If you talk of border disputes and territorial acquisitions, the US had plenty. Just read the links below:

1. "List of areas disputed by Canada and the United States" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_areas_disputed_by_Canada_and_the_United_States#Current_disputes

It was stated in the above article that Canada claims the Northwest Passage "as part of its 'internal waters' belonging to Canada, while the United States regards it as an 'international strait' (a strait accommodating open international traffic)". As usual, whatever waterways or seas the US is interested in, it will declare them as "international".

2. "United States territorial acquisitions" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_territorial_acquisitions

 

Canada has a development treaty with Russia. Russia isn't Canada's real worry here. The real worry is the country that has decided that Canada's territory is not actually it's territory.

 

The Chinese will be glad to know you are so enlightened as to appreciate the value and usefulness of Confucianism and Taoism to America.

Don't you notice from the video clip that the Confucius Institute initiative in America has the support of Bush Senior?

If you object to anything allegedly funded by the Chinese authorities, you and your Chinese wife can set up a Confucius Institute in America and later more branches worldwide to rival those of China. You may end up as one of the richest men in America.

 

The US is an expanding empire that has been reaping what it has sowed. In your case, you will be sleeping away all your time and money you waste on your drinks.

Please refer to the links below:

1. "United States military casualties of war" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

2. "America's Wars: U.S. Casualties and Veterans" at http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004615.html

 

I am not surprised that the Bush family is joined at the hip with the CCP.

 

The foregoing post is multiculturalism in action.