Shouldn't Islam Be Banned In the USA (asked of US citizens only)

I think it has more to do with birth rates and immigration, but it may also be that people just like Islam.

Since when did Islam "demand" Shariah? That's the same as saying Catholics demand authority be given to the Pope above all others. Complete nonsense.

Where does it demand that? Why cant shariah be as secular as other religious law - ie restricted to individuals and communities to freely exercise within their extra-legal freedom (ie outside of institutions of the law). You already have examples of this with Christian family courts that settle divorce disputes etc outside of ordinary legal proceedings.

No because you need freedom of ALL religions to have freedom of religion generally.

No because most MB groups are just like other evangelical movements. The jihadi aspect is relatively limited. It will grow if Muslims are generally prejudices and excluded from mainstream society in the manner you propose.

The most basic reason why is freedom of religion which is embodied in your FIRST amendment.

ps. If all you do is go on jihadwatch etc, you wont have a clue about the real world. Please, read these websites if you want, but also consult mainstream and scholarly material on the matter where the professional and educated opinion is much different.

 

An unjust law doesn't have to be obeyed. In fact, I would argue that an unjust law should not be obeyed.

What law makes it illegal to refuse to sell someone a particular product? No law was broken in that case.

 

You saying so doesn't make it so.

Just the fact that you call the First Amendment 'weak' shows your misunderstanding of the Constitution.

Anyway- this is just another Islam bashing thread. Everyone except the fearful Islam haters know that Islam is a religion- whether you agree with its tenets or not. You can't get away from the protections of the Constitution by pretending that something isn't what it is.

And the Constitution protects all religions equally. Frankly it is un-American and anti-American to propose the prohibition of any religion.

 

First of all, the first amendment was passed as an amendment to the constitution; if there ever was any conflict between the first amendment and the supremacy clause, the first amendment, being ratified after the original constitution wins. The people can amend the supremacy clause out of the constitution.

What the Supremacy clause states is that constitution and federal law outrank state law. It does not say, this clause outranks anything else in the constitution - read the text which I quoted. The constitution is everything in it, including all the amendments. The supremacy clause therefore holds all the amendments to the supreme law of the land.

And also, the supremacy clause itself does not ban beliefs which conflict with it.

Your only argument left is that Islam is not a religion. But then we have to take a look at whether the people who ratified the first amendment believed that it was a religion - which the people did.

 

Convicts in State and federal penitentiaries seem to be providing a large portion of their converts.

 

No. Freedom of religion is something we take far more seriously in this country than many foreigners do. You will find violent opposition to the idea of banning a religion here, even from people who hate that religion.

Last I heard Christianity was overwhelmingly dominant still. How likely is that to change in the foreseeable future?

Why is that a reason to ban it? You are allowed to disagree with the laws of this country. Not sure how they do things where you come from, but here, Freedom of Speech is sacred.

You are not a traitor here simply because you express unpopular opinions. Not sure where you got the idea to the contrary. You do not seem to be very familiar with our laws.

 

Actually the explanation is most likely even more mundane than that: a small number of mosques to begin with.

It doesn't take a whole lot of population growth to go from, say, 50 to 75 mosques.

It probably has a lot to do with migration, as more Muslims live in more places vs. heavily Muslim areas of the US (Dearborn, MI).

And, yeah, we've had more Muslim immigrants in recent decades (just as we've gained in Asian immigrants in general). But it doesn't have to be an overwhelming amount to show an "increase".
When the baseline number is low to begin with, it doesn't take a large number more to produce an "alarming" growth percentage. Likewise the population growth rate for Muslims is likely to be lower in the next couple decades.

 

Maybe we can even the playing field. Since churchbells aren't allowed in Muslim countries, why don't we just ban those (*)(*)(*)(*) yodelling towers. We shouldn't treat them worse than they treat us in their POCS countries, but it wouldn't hurt to treat them the same.

 

easy answer.

do americans believe in freedom of religion or not?

if yes - no it shouldn't,

if no - then maybe you need to think about it.

but if that is the case ... what kind of society are you?

 

So are we responsible as a nation to make sure these immigrants are successful so they don't become susceptible the insanity of Jihad?

Sounds like a veiled threat to me, which is what I would expect of a Muslim.

 

The Historically documented Mass Murderer, Rapist & Pedophilic Rapist Mohammed stated as his FIRST DICTUM in his concocted Qu'ran that: "Let the world be the Caliphate of islam, preferably by word, by SWORD (caps mine) if necessary."

According to Mohammed's FIRST DICTUM this instruction should supercede all other instructions contradictory to it.

Not only that, detailed instructions are given in the said Qu'ran as to the TORTURE & MURDER of the infidels that oppose Islam.

No other Organized Religion o0f the World has such a bloodcurdling agenda.

Thus, Islam only masquerades as a "religion". Islam is actually a Political Force the same as Fascism or Communism.

And, Islam, practiced by the Iranian Theology (Sunnis), in control of Iran, is blatantly killing, and was killing our soldiers in Iraq in their undeclared War. The same is true about the Al Quaida (Shiites) with the 9/11 travesty.

The proliferation of the mosques in America is due to the fact that the Wahhabi Muslim Shiite whackjobs, even more crazed than the Sunni Muslims of Iran, are blackmailing the willing Saudi Royalty who have financed ~95% of the Mosques in America.

Thus the Mid East Muslims in America are overwhelmingly the ENEMY WITHIN.

Our Constitution is very clear on the fact that we can use deadly force if necessary on our enemy, the Islamofascist Swine, just as we did against Fascism and USSR's commies (if necessary).

 

You can state it all you want, it doesn't make your ridiculous and deluded statement a fact.

 

Maybe we should ban Christianity too because there are many quotes that tell people to murder and rape too.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

Just being a devil's advocate.

 

Ah, the equivocation tactic, because we know that nuns are suicide bombers just as often as jihaddhists and that priests and pastors preach violence in the name of religion just as often as Imams. You look in a newpaper and find just as many incidents of Christian terrorist as you do Islamic terrorist. Christian families so often commit honor killings on girls that date non christians. Christians also hang homosexuals in the streets....nearly everyday! African nations are, of course, being menaced by Christian militias, going through villages with machette's and AK-47s. And there have been too many examples of Christian terrorists hijacking planes.

You're not the devil's advocate, your his tool.

 

The difference is Christians have cleaned up their act in the past 200 years.
Muslims still commonly use violence in the name of religion.

 

You should take a look at the body counts over the past 200 years. I'm willing to bet that the Christians win hands down.

 

So what? People can say and believe whatever they want, it's called freedom of speech and religion. It's the people that act violently that need to be punished.

 

No, it should not be. This country was founded upon freedom OF religion, not the one everyone likes or wants.

Care to show the numbers?

 

This thread still going on?

Still pretending that Islam is not a religion in order to initiate a pogrom against Muslims?

Still pretending that Islam is not a religion in order to pretend that you wouldn't be violating the Constitution.

I really don't know how anyone who has seriously read the Constitution or actually believes in the Bill of Rights- i.e. our Constitution can even consider this.

this just smacks of the bigotry towards Catholics and bigotry towards Jews and if you read some of that stuff from the 20th century it sounds pretty much like this.

 

SFJEFF: Islam a Religion like the Organized Religions of the World ???? What part of the following don't you understand ?

"The Historically documented Mass Murderer, Thief, Rapist & Pedophilic Rapist Mohammed stated as his FIRST DICTUM in his concocted Qu'ran that: "Let the world be the Caliphate of islam, preferably by word, by SWORD (caps mine) if necessary."

According to Mohammed's FIRST DICTUM this instruction should supercede all other instructions contradictory to it.

Not only that, detailed instructions are given in the said Qu'ran as to the TORTURE & MURDER of the infidels that oppose Islam.

No other Organized Religion o0f the World has such a bloodcurdling agenda.

Thus, Islam only masquerades as a "religion". Islam is actually a Political Force the same as Fascism or Communism."

Does any religion have the above as its stated Agenda ?!?!?

The Christians have a horrible Medieval Record.......However, even with that record NOWHERE IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRISTIANITY, OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZED RELIGION OF THE WORLD, ARE THERE ANY RELIGIONS THAT HAVE ANYTHING CLOSE TO THE BLOODCURDLING AGENDA OF ISLAM THAT TARGETS THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD WHO WOULD RESIST ISDLAM !!!

GEDDIT ?!?!?

 

The argument is that Islam is not a religion but a system of law. The fact that it is not a religion, but a system of law implies that it can supersede the Constitution. The reasoning that people who support this make is that many Islamic followers beleive in Shari'a law. I find this to be a process of instilling unneeded fear in Americans. Since 9/11, the United States has become more xenophobic. However, are we seriously going to live in fear of an installation of Shari'a law?

 

What drivel.
Bring some proof or expect to be called on your ridiculous statments.

 

Troll thread....

 

Christian terrorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/02trip.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Madrid_Barajas_International_Airport_bombing

Here is a longer list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#India


Here are some christians torturing children for being witches.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568140,00.html


There is more as well. You need to educate yourself, before saying such similar nonsense in the future.


PS. See that thing about Christians? Christians are in fact menacing people in Africa. Quite often as well. That is the nature of poverty though, it is not to be blamed on Christianity(at least not in my opinion it isn't.

 

How about the most recent terrorist attack by a Christian fundamentalist, the Norway bombing and shootings. It seems people have let this go right over their heads once it wasn't newsworthy.

Remember this guy?: