Why do Blacks vote for Democrats?

Republicans did, but not Conservatives. Not Conservative Southerners and not (generally) Conservative Republicans (aka Barry Goldwater, who would almost be a moderate by today's standards).

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You are correct.

However I would suggest not taking anything in this video with ANY degree of seriousness. It is, at best, tongue in cheek, and at worst outright lies.

 

Translation: "I don't have a freakin' clue how to do a search, even if there was something available to substantiate what I am saying.

Yes it is your responsibility to prove your point, not the other way around.

 

I assumed he would actually have some knowlege of the civil war/reconstruction era before making such politically motovated comments. I was wrong. The funny thing is that I'm a conservative with every vested interest in telling this lie he premotes. As a fella that fancies himself a historian with a BA in history and writes history simpily for the fun of it, I refuse to do so! I'm sick and tired of historians on the right and the left leaving out vital events in history when they reference it for political purposes. Chris Matthews is the latest dousch bag to do so with is new book. You know its a pain in the ass when trying to find out the truth when every freaking historian has an agenda. With respect to the Corwin Amendment most historian deliberatly leave it out of the history books.

 

I have heard many stories told by the old folks of conditions during the depression.

our country has not been affluent for centuries, only decades.

 

Yes. But I'm sure there's a huge difference between "none" and a "few hundred thousand".

 

By comparison of other nations and their average standard of living America has been both near and on the top for the past 150 years. And thats just a conservative estamet to ensure that I'm not being too grandios. I dont know why people always compare their immediate situation to past era's in history based only upon singular events in time.

 

It is not my responsibility to entertain ignorance. But I will do that once, just for you.

On page 5, post # 49, PatriotNews quoted Wiki in this way....

Then he interpreted it as such....

The thing is, Wiki, which he quoted is not incorrect in this. The Free Soilers were anti-slavery expansionists. That does NOT mean they were anti-slavery. They did not want slavery expanded into the West and, in fact, blacks were not wanted in the West at all. The key word in the Wiki quote is EXPANSION. This is how things get twisted by those that just don't know any better.

Here's the text of the pertinent part of the Oregon Constitution, which illustrates that sentiment.

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The final question put to the voters was on Free Blacks. the precise wording of original Article XVIII, Sec. 4 was:

"And if a majority of all the votes given for, and against free negroes, shall be given against free negroes, then the following section shall be added to the Bill of Rights, and shall be part of this Constitution:

"Sec. ____ no free negro, or mulatto, not residing in this State at the time of the adoption of this Constitution [i.e., 1857], shall come, reside, or be within this State, or hold any real estate, or make any contracts, or maintain any suit therein; and the Legislative Assembly shall provide by penal laws, for the removal, by public officers, of all such negroes, and mulattoes, and for their effectual exclusion from the State, and for the punishment of persons who shall bring them into the State, or employ, or harbor them."


http://www.drbilllong.com/LegalEssays/OregonBlacks.html

Don't like that link? I can cite other sources on the Oregon Exclusion Law.

 

Democrats are the anti-white party

 

I'm guessing you believe racism is overrated simply because you do not live and work in a diverse community.

Your points sound good to me, but you do realize you are directly opposed to many of the Democrat Party Platforms? That's a good start. Maybe you fix the divisive nature of the Democratic Party.

 

I'm right in line with you on the truth of our history being known. So many myths and mis-perceptions have sprung up that our true history is something you have to dig for, but it is there if you look.

I believe we can never progress as a society by fooling ourselves. Our history has many ugly chapters and there's really no prettying it up. We have to accept who we are, warts and all.

I have no degree in history, but it's a fun thing for me. I remember when I took my first history course in college that my professor told us to forget everything we had learned up to that point because it wasn't true. I never forgot that and that was many years ago.

 

and that is applicable to current economic trends?

 

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You are the one who's posts are unreferenced. In the first sentence, you complain you don't like my reference source, one that is widely used throughout the world, in the last you claim my posts are unreferenced. You may have a BA in history, but you don't know your own facts from the beginning of your paragraph to the end of your paragraph, which only makes one question your grasp of the facts when it comes to history, BA not withstanding.

I would disagree. Yes abolitionists were a small fringe, the the party as a whole was against slavery or the spread of slavery. I would think the act of freeing the slaves was absolutely intended for the benefit of the slave, likewise makeing them citizens and giving the Black man the right to vote. Reconstruction, Civil Rights Acts...ect ect ect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Republicans

A last ditch attempt to avoid war was voted on March 2, 1861. Notice the dates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
This is something someone with a BA in History would know.

Most of the laws in your reference are before the republican party, which if you would have noticed my wiki reference was in 1854. A person who has a B.A. in History would know that too.

This is true. Lincoln wanted to avoid war at all costs. Once the war started, he not only fought to free the slaves, he signed the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_proclamation

All Northerners? That may have been true for some, but not all.

They may have been a minority, but as your quote that follows shows:

They supported the republican party.

 

What's your point?

 

the depression certainly had an impact on my parents and grandparents.

they were flat broke and didn't get out of hock until the 1970's

 

how old are you?

 

My Mom was the daughter of sharecroppers and my Dad's father was a Kentucky dirt farmer. My generation is the first that has had any material success and I well know how it used to be. Hell, we were poor when I was growing up, but so was everybody else around us so it didn't much matter.

My generation was the first in our family to graduate high school and I am the only one from that generation with any college education. I don't whine about it and my kids are doing better than we did. That's what counts...for every generation to progress just a little from the one before.

 

yep

i get a kick out of the youngsters that think that not having cable TV and internet is a hardship.


I'll bet they never took a bath in a galvanized wash tub.

All the kids would use the same bath water b/c the water was heated on the wood stove.

The bath water looked like chocolate milk by the time the last kid got to bathe.

Yuck.................

 

Yep exactly.

The OP was correct though that Republicans USED to be the better party for Civil Rights. The Dems used to be the very Southern party, very strict religious party.

Obviously in todays world it has changed places.

Or I could bring up the name of Rick Perrys ranch to better explain this.

 

No, he didn't. My posts are backed with links, his weren't. And the reference he gave mostly refered to laws before 1854 before the republican party, so it is not a well sourced info. The Corwin Amendment was meant to avoid war, why ratify it after war has broken out? Your last paragraph I suppose is supported with the last three which I deleted for brevity and because they too were refering to dates long before the republican party was even created.

Nobody wants to see your tiny little package. Your attempt to call me stupid gets lost in your poor attempt to demonstrate intelligence by using words with more than two syllables.

I told you, did you bother to read the post you were replying to?

 

We didn't have a phone until I was about 8 years old.

Now, when we were really dirty, Mama wouldn't let us in the house until we hosed off outside.

We used to go to farms for our vegetables when I was a kid. They were free, but you had to give half of what you picked to the farmer. We'd pick bushels. Then we'd come home and shell beans and peas all day long on the porch. Then it was blanching and bagging and putting them in the freezer. It was kinda fun, really.

 

it makes no sense for white people to vote dem

 

My family bartered with the food they grew and had land but no income. This doesent negate the fact that America was still close if not on the top as compared to the rest of the world.

 

What does the Oregon Exclusion Law (of 1857) has to do with anti-slavery, abolitionists or repubicans? Republicans as I have stated only came about in 1854. After the war, this law was ignored (because it was obviously unconstitutional) according to your link and finally abolished as were most pre and post Civil War laws and restrictions against Blacks.

 

After getting a degree I realised that you dont need one to be somewhat of an expert. That goes for every subject of study. All a degree does is certify that you studied. It certainly didnt help my spelling and I wrote alot!