Police Pepper Spray Peaceful UC Davis Students.

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    You can trespass by refusing to remove yourself from the campus when law enforcement orders you to do so. A campus isn't the same as your personal home. You are renting living space, you do not own it. I rent an apartment, if I decided to break the regulations of the complex and the property owner calls the police on me and I refuse to leave then guess what the police are going to do...
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Then be prepared to face the consequences of breaking said law. Don't expect the law makers to pick and choose which laws they enforce the same way you pick and choose which ones to obey.
     
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    Do you have the evidence they were prodded by the administration? If so, why have the officers been suspended, by the administration? The Chancellor has put the Police Chief on administrative leave and issued an apology to the students.
    What would explain this?
     
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    What evidence do you have that they broke any rules?
    Evidence, people. Not hearsay, not partisan defense. Evidence.
     
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    You both sound ridiculous arguing about this stupid ass (*)(*)(*)(*) with complete strangers on the internet. I sound ridiculous too.
     
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    How the (*)(*)(*)(*) do you know? Have you met them? ANY of them? Or are you just talking out your ass.. Or rather typing out your ass.
     
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    How the (*)(*)(*)(*) do you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing know that homeboy?
     
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    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have NEVER in my life broken the law (never even got a citation for speeding!).

    Yet, I believe that there are times when the laws need to be challenged, and when the law is written in such a way that it allows for excessive force against people who are peaceful and are no threat to anyone, that law is abusive.

    I am always amazed that, the people who will proudly state that they want smaller government, that they don't want government involvement in our life, who believe taht the police is "over paid" or receive too much pension, are also those who will turn a blind eye to police brutality or excessive force WHEN IT MEETS THEIR IDEOLOGY!

    Hypocrisy. . .again!

    Too many laws are made to CREATE criminogenic situations.
     
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    They were warned California PC 602 applies.
     
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    The sprayed kids were not camping. They were sitting and singing songs. They were not near tents or any kind of overnight gear.

    Read your signature. It seems that conservatives can be very educated in things they don't know as well.
     
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    There is precedence for this type of police action against protesters in California. Some protestors chained themselves together to protest the logging of redwood trees. The cops applied Q-tips laced with pepper spray and then applied the Q-tips to the corner of the protestor's eyes. The cops refused to give the protestors water until they released themselves from the "Black Bears" (devices the protestors used to bind themselves to one another).

    In short, the Ninth Circuit court of appeals summarized that it is illegal to use pepper spray against non-violent protestors.

    I was wrong when I stated that the cops at UC Davis were within their legal right to use pepper spray against the protestors, although I think it should be legal.

    Looks like the cops will get into some serious trouble after all.

    Here's the link to the case I'm referring to:

    HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT
     
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    I give you great credit for posting something that goes against your personal grain. Shows real credibility.
     
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    I have no evidence, as I said I wasn't there. However, and yes I am speculating, seeing this video leads me to believe there is more to this than whats portrayed. The video starts and we immediately see the police spraying the students, we don't see the lead up. These sorts of videos rarely ever show the lead up, they only show the outcome.
     
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    Please produce evidence that they weren't part of the campers and didn't have tents on the quad.
     
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    Is that enough information for you to take a position, to condemn some and exonerate others?
    What does the fact that the Chancellor has put these officers and their police chief on administrative leave and made a public apology to the students do to your opinion? Does it have any influence?
     
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    Thank you for your comment.

    The sprayed kids were the kids camping, they formed a ring around their camping gear and the cops took the gear down, but the kids remained in their ring sitting down and refusing to move.
     
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    Do you have a citation, as the video doesn't support this.
    Why did the Chancellor put them and their chief on administrative leave and make a public apology?
     
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    I said it before and I'll say it again. These kids are stupid and deserved to get pepper sprayed. I'm sure they were give warnings, so it is not like they didn't know it was coming. They should obey the orders to disperse given to them by the police. They should go home and learn to become constructive peaceful citizens, maybe take a course on civics, instead of being stupid punk ass crybabies and destructive rabble rousers.
     
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    Evolving into what? What does the "Civil Rights" Movement have to do with this? That was to correct injustice and apartheid in the South which is obviously wrong and unjust.

    Being expected to pay back a voluntary loan for services rendered is not injustice like Jim Crow.

    I don't want your collective society where I pay for your college! You don't have the right to force me too either.
     
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    This post is not quite the evidence that I've been waiting for. It is a useless partisan rant.
    Does anyone have any real information? Does anyone have an opinion as to why the Chancellor has taken the officers and their chief from their posts and given a public apology to the students?
    Would you have given the same advice to the black students at segregated, "legal" lunch counters?
     
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    I used to get off work late at night and loved to sit in the park and just relax by the ocean before heading home every night. One day a cop pulled up to me and told me I couldn't sit there because the area was closed off at night. I literally bothered nobody at all by sitting there, as I wanted to do was watch the ocean to power down after a long day at work. The law said that the area is considered closed after a certain time of day and I was trespassing. The law saying that I can't watch the ocean in a public park that my tax money pays for at night is 100% stupid. But guess what the law say's its illegal so I left and stopped going there. Even the cop himself said it was stupid and he felt bad for kicking me out but it's his job to enforce that law, no matter how stupid either of us think it is.

    If I felt so strongly about what I believed in then I could have been defiant and refused to leave. I could have created a huge incident and been prepared to face the consequences for what I believe is "right". That's the bottom line, if you honestly believe in what you are doing and what you are doing is illegal then be willing to stand up and face the consequences to prove your point. Don't just expect the law to stand down, it doesn't work like that.

    I'm not turning a blind eye to what the police did. I'm saying that if you choose to break the law then there are consequences. If these students broke now law then the police were 100% wrong in their actions. If these students broke the law and continued to disobey direct orders from law enforcement then the cops' actions were justified. I don't know which is the case, I wasn't there. But as I said rarely do these types of videos show the whole story and rarely is the "victim" simply minding their own business when the cops take action against them.
     
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    Psychos should be screened and barred from any authority. Yet there is no moral screen for amoral wackos from becoming military or professional authorities with a badge. The US Legislature...no...the voting public should vote in moral legislators - people who have a strong conscience and value all human life - and even animal life. I see no place for hostile, aggressive, kill crazed remedial minded pit bull red neck special bus bullies in any position of authority over anyone. Let them make shoes for Nike.
     
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    Many did not think it was unjust at the time. It took visionaries to point it out to the public by allowing them to witness the injustice performed on them as they attempted to peacefully protest. That's what the civil rights movement has to do with this.
    I don't think OWS is about tuition specifically, do you?
    Why don't you want hard information to base your opinion on?
     
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    These kids were blocking the tuition office of UC Davis in protest of having to pay back Student Loans, which is one of the most commonly cited demands of OWS protestors and its all over youtube and everywhere else. They want their college education for free at the cost of the 53%.

    This is all about "I voluntarily took a loan and the vile bankers expect me to pay it back. WHHAAAAA!"
     
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    I am impressed that you have enough integrity to rcogniZe when you make a mistake, even when it doesn't serve your purpose.
    Thank you for that.
     
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