So... the homosexuality/paedophilia link homosexuals insist cannot be made...

I was talking with a friend the other day and it occurred to me...

For those who insist that paedophiles are "different" than homosexuals and that homosexuality cannot be linked to paedophilia...


I would like you to explain to me why there is no heterosexual equivalent for NAMBLA or Butterfly Kisses?

And while it was decided that you best not associate any more in order to make progress... you must remember that NAMBLA WAS originally part of ILGA... which has UN consultative status.

So it USED to be gay...

But now it's just... wrong.

Do I have that about right?

Why is there no NAMGLA?

 

Probably something having to do with age of consent.

Two adult men or two adult women in a consenting relationship do not really compare with a 40 year old and a 9 year old. This is more of an issue of someone being harmed in the instance of the pedophiles "relationship".

While I do not believe that one chooses to be attracted to young people, and most people who are researching the subject agree with me, there is an injury that is occurring which means it should be stopped. The same can not be said for homosexual relationships.

 

So, are you saying that guilt by association is a valid means of analysis?

 

Well I certainly do not feel the same way about adult homosexuals as I do about paedophile homosexuals... that wasn't really the point I was trying to make.

I am suggesting that there is a link. Similar causal forces. Varying degrees of abnormality. Early on this was recognized and accepted... on all sides. Now there is a fervent denial of any similarity... and yet... you do not have a NAMGLA.

Most men who victimize little girls do so because of opportunity. Some boys are victimized due to opportunity. The most prolific are your homosexual paedophiles. The most active, the most vocal. You don't find coaches raping pompom girls, they rape ball boys. Catholic priests don't fondle little girl parishioners... they abuse choir boys.

The GLBT community absolutely refuses to accept responsibility for this segment of their population... and I suggest that they need to face some measure of reality... which doesn't seem to be their strong suit.

 

While there may not be a NAMGLA, sexual abuse towards young girls from adult males is a pretty well-documented and persistent phenomenon. Stories of that are pretty common.

Haven't you seen "How to Catch a Predator"?

 

A great show... Chris Hansen's best work in my opinion. Sometimes the Perverted Justice decoy would act as a boy to attract pederasts, but mostly it was adult men seeking young girls.

I disagree with Ctrl that there's a link between pederasty and homosexuality other than the fact that they are both perversions of the natural order. The attractions are completely different and should be categorized separately. I also think the generalization of Catholic priests going after choir boys is simplistic and sensationalist nonsense. The percentage of clergy offenders hardly depicts a discernable trend that singles out the Catholic Church.

Serial abuse happens in cloisters where trust exists and members are encouraged to handle problems "in house." During the 1980's there were several thriving child moestation rings in the Jehovah Witness organization. Because of their inherent distrust for authorities and their religious beliefs that problems should be dealt with internally, social services and the police were never informed and the abuse went on for years.

And then of course we have the recent events at Penn State. Same situation where the college campus had internal mechanisms that were preferred for handling problems instead of going straight to the police. Coaches and staff were trusted with the welfare of students and that trust extended to the special programs that included young boys. The instinct to protect the sovereignty of the school system as a quasi government handling its own affairs allowed this abuse to perpetuate over several years.

The Catholic Church, since the abuse scandals, has implemented measures to wed trust with accountability and enforce a zero tolerance policy toward child abuse. It's now a strictly enforced mandate that authorities be involved quickly with any allegation of abuse. This has been good medicine for the Church and the same goes for any enclave that, out of self interest, would conceal and accomodate the abuse of children.

 

As an heterosexual woman who was subjected to pedophilia (by heterosexual males) with 4 different men before the age of 16, I can tell you that pedophilia is NOT an homosexual issue. . .it is a mental health issue that crosses sexual identities and is actually MORE frequent (but less "publicized") between adult males and female children.

It has NOTHING to do with being gay or straight. It is just sick!

 

I think you are grossly misrepresenting the majority of homosexuals. Most gay people I know, including myself, think abusing children in this manner is sick and should be prevented at all costs. Saying we need a dose of "reality" because we are not accepting responsibility for what some predator is doing is confusing at best. Are you accepting responsibility for when a male molests a small girl?

Most behavioral studies and psychologists assert that there is no "homosexual" vs "heterosexual" link in pedophilia as it is mainly a crime of opportunity. If you are really interested in the studies there are several links below.

And statistically speaking the ratio of girls abused to boys abused is almost 2:1 using the proportional ratio of heterosexuality to homosexuality so you lose that argument. Try again.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6512871

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6512871

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/gays-anatomy/200809/homosexuality-and-pedophilia-the-false-link

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full

 

I believe you when you say "gays don't molest kids" but then they always seem to completely disappear when homosexual pedophilia happens. No gay group to my knowledge has ever come forward after these events and condemned them. I don't get that. If it were any other type of pedophilia, you'd fall all over yourself to condemn it and show how you aren't like that. But a man rapes 20 boys in the shower and the gay groups can't really say that it's wrong.

 

Most anti-pedophilia groups are inter-sexual groups that include both gays and straights. Name 1 100% hetrosexual anti-pedophile group before you demand others name gay ones...until you can do that, shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

 

Yes. That does not really address kids under 13.

Does anyone know what pedophilia means?

Most female children under 13 are molested as crimes of opportunity. If there was only a sheep available they would (*)(*)(*)(*) it. It is not the same as the PREOCCUPATION with PRE-PUBESCENT children.

To catch a predator is a slightly different thing, for which our society at large is somewhat to blame.

Why do they put porn stars in pig tails and Catholic school girl outfits sucking lollipops?

Why has Brittany Spears been objectified by her media pimps since she herself was still a kid?

That isn't what I am talking about.

I am talking about pedophiles.

They are by great majority adult men who like pre-pubescent boys.

 

Evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews. Both condemn homosexuality and pedophilia. Now where are the PFLAG and Glisten and so on. Not a peep.

 

I never said gays don't molest kids. I am sure it happens...

As for gay groups condemning molestation cases; most gay groups are gay rights groups whose sole purpose is to gain equal treatment for homosexual people. Why would they have something to say about it?

Are you angry that the AFA is not condemning it? How about the NAACP?
Gun rights groups are also silent! So, do all of these need to issue statements every time a black molests a child, or a gun carrier, or a _____ fill in the blank?

Hell the football associations are pretty much silent on the latest issue. Where is the outrage?

Is this something exclusively something the gays have to do?

 

Hate to disappoint you, but the statistics that you have cited actually proves Ctrl's point.

Considering that "In the United States, according to exit polling on 2008 Election Day for the 2008 Presidential elections, 4% of electorate self-identified as gay, lesbian, or bisexual" the fact that 33% of paedophile accidents are homosexual means that homosexuals are highly overrepresented among paedophiles.

 

Because, once upon a time, they were part of the same movement... and held political influence with the UN.

That's why.

 

Did a little reaserch

22 ^ a b c Thorstad, David (February 1990 ), "Man/Boy Love and the American Gay Movement", Journal of Homosexuality (Routledge) 20 (1 & 2): 251–274, doi:10.1300/J082v20n01_15, ISSN 0091-8369

23 ^ Hogan, Steve and Lee Hudson (1998 ). Completely Queer: The Gay and Lesbian Encyclopedia. New York, Henry Holt and Company. ISBN 0805036296.

24 ^ a b Johnson, Matthew D. (2004 ). NAMBLA on glbtq.com.

 

Guns weren't involved, so why would a gun rights group say anything. This is about a GAY FOOTBALL COACH. I'm not happy that the NCAA hasn't done more, but they did insist that the coaches of Penn State get the axe and threatened to cancel the rest of the season. I think they've proven that they at least take the event seriously. I think I'd insist that the football team not take the field in a playoff for the next few years. As for gay rights groups, again why are they not at least verbally condemning the acts? It was about a man having homosexual sex with boys as young as 8 years old. I think this is one of those things that you have to condemn if you want the gay rights movement to be creditable. If you can't say that sex with children is wrong even if it's gay, then where are the lines?

I'm not sure where the NRA or the NAACP have anything to do with Penn St.

 

Yes... only took 20 years... advocated by women.

 

Yes... only took 20 years... *their expulsion* advocated by women.

 

Progress is slow...

It was said that the gay groups have NEVER stood against it... This proves the opposite.

So now the argument is it didn't happen quick enough??? What?

Good way to pounce on the real issues...

 

Why would anyone need to progress to that?

I am not sure who said that no gay group has EVER stood against it... but it was not me. I don't believe all homosexuals are sick sociopaths... however the voice against is but a whisper... which I find weird.

 

It was Caeia Iulia Regilia, post number 9.

And I think that in the begining gay rights groups were just struggling for support as so many were against them in all areas.

Like I said in a previous post, most gay groups are gay rights groups.
Please notice the word in bold. They are fighting for the right to not be fired for being gay, being able to visit their partner in the hospital and make necessary decision, serve their county in the military, stopping anti-gay bullying, ect...

Are you upset about the lack of stance in other groups or is it just gay groups?

 

If you find me another group that was politically aligned with them for 20 years and has been silent for another 20... I am against them too.

So... I guess the ACLU.

 

Are you implying that there are no male pedophiles who target young females or females that target young males?

 

No. I am suggesting that they are an extreme minority of an extreme minority.

You name a thing and I will find you SOME twisted (*)(*)(*)(*) who is sexually attracted to it.
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I am dealing in generalities... and gross over-representation.