Neo Nazis murdered 10 people in 7 years.

No, all fair-minded people who don't appreciate BS-threads and BS-posts filled with lies, mis-representations and delusions.

Keep on repeating, doesn't change a thing about the fact that your whole claim is entirely false -- you ought to be reported to the authorities for negationism, a serious crime.

 

Your Turks should better begin to integrate in German society and work, not only run to "SOZIALAMT" and ask for welfare.

 

That this Nazis have the intention to committ a genocide is most obvious, to state that they committed genocide is ridiculous. The fact that you compare the Turkish community in germany with the Armenians who lost about a quarter of their population and their whole property let me doubt, that you really have that position as you describe yours.

You compare the situation a the Turkish community which profits in many ways from the German welfare system and is supported in any possible way by the German state with the Armenians who were decided to die and Turkey tried to benefit from their tragedy they put on them.

That what those murderers would plan to do if they were in charge is of course genocide. However, your comparison is not adequate.

What you are showing here is the typical example for that attitude that you hear here all too often from Turkish organizations. If Turks kill 10 people because they were German, thats a normal crime, we have to accept that, it is a normal crime. If one German kills one Turk thats a much more terrible crime and racism.

 

Ordinary crimes are thought to be different from the crimes caused by hate ideologies. I am pretty sure that many Germans killed Turks and many Turks killed Germans for many reasons. But I have yet to see a Turk killed a German just because the racial features of Germans.

That's the point of the thread.

 

Ok i see you are not as brave as me, i can accept the crimes when people from your nation made...

I opened an issue that between 2000 and 2007, 10 people killed because of their nationality by Nazis and they got an official support in a way. You tell me in 1915 in Ottoman Empire, Ottoman Turks made Genoside to Armenians during the Ottoman Russian War. I say you are right it was genoside and to be in a war can't be excuse, you say you can't compare.

Yes, we can't compare what is happening in Germany is worse because it is happening now, it is going on and we have chance to stop it... It is like that you still my valid and when we are at the police station you defence yourself that my grandfather was thief too.

I think inverse, if 10 Germans would be murdered in Turkey last 7 years by fashists, Germany even can start a war to Turkey...

 

You can see it hundred times more often, but you would deny it. So you will not see it cause you don't want to see.

As judge Kirsten Heise published, it's the usual behaviour in the district Berlin Neuköln, in which Turks and Arabs are the majority.

As it turned out, Serkan A. shouted "Scheiß Deutscher. Sau. Schwein", before they attacked the senior in the tube in Munich. I am sure you wouldn't find any racist motivations in that and trying to beat an old man to death is a normal crime for you.

There are countless attacks on Germans by Muslim immigrants because they are Germans and I can be assured that Turkish organizations will do everything to back them.

I am comparing it to these murders, in general you have to admit that Neo Nazi actions are much more widespread than those few spectecular cases in the last 10 years.

 

Its laughable how people trying to stick the Armenian issue even into this thread.Based on their lack of knowledge and fabricated accusations of westernized version of history.Just because you made a genocide,that doesnt give you the right to label other nations with the same title.

 

When I said "I have yet to see a Turk..." I was rather thinking of the Turks in Turkey. That would be a fairer comparision, I think. Germany has a culture of race so chances are some Turks in Germany has been influenced by the atmosphere.

 

Suprising that only immigrants from Islamic countries are infected with that racism according to your strange definition (according to your definition you would have to state the Holocaust was no racism, many Jews were not to identify by thier physical appearance).

 

Ties of the Neo Nazis with German secret service is present too.The explosives they used probably belongs to military and still some amount of it is missing.

 

That's not a surprise. It's just because they are the victims of German racism, so they think they should answer them in a similar manner.

I don't redefine racism. That's how racism works. Though, sure, German racism went even further and found a solution to deal with "German looking" inferior races.

But if you don't look white or even Nordic, your life is under threat. That's why it's extremely serious than ordinary crimes.

 

Oh, I absolutely agree with that.

Maybe they give the answers hundred times more often, before the question is even asked?

Anyway, even if one accepted your exaggerations about such activities, how comes that you can hardly find one Vietnamese guy on 100 Muslim immigrants murdering in such a manner?

Of course you do. Racism is not specified in such a manner you did here with the intention to make an apology for Turkish crimes.

You are really funny, you were telling me that this kind od racism is no racism, when people look like the same. That was only when it was about the Turkish genocide on Armenians. When it comes to Germany, it's a proof of even deeper racism.

If you look not look like a Turk and walk into a Turk dominated area your life is under threat. And that's exactly the atmosphere Erdogan wants to protect.

 

You demonstrate perfectly the intention of the deniers. Your aim is to create hate pictures to have a justification for your murders and atrocities. You instrumentalize the Holocaust to paint hate pictures of German, on the other hand you support enthusiastic Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites when it comes to the Hamas in the Gaza strip to justify your anti-Semitism with the hate pictures you paint of Jews. When it comes to Germans, Kurds are the poor victims of German racism, when it comes to Kurds they are the monsters the Germans should imprison at once (which they don't do not due to law restriction, but because they want to use them to murder Turks of course according to your statements).

To keep that justifications for you to murder people of another race you try to present a pure white west, to avoid the valid point that in every country and in every ethnic group's history there exist dark chapters. You cannot admit it, because you would loose the ability to mask your murderous attacks by self defence.

 

Germans in the Nazi era defined inferior races very well. Anybody who fitted the criteria of "inferiority" had no chance. Jews whose physical attributes were easily detected were indeed easy target. But Germans went even further and to clear German blood completely they terminated all the Jews so that German blood would finally become pure.

Turks in the Ottoman era didn't define Armenian race whatsoever. Nor they thought their genetics were better than those of Armenians. So those Armenians who converted to Islam were easily escaped from the massacre. Even many Armenians who just pretented to be Islamic were saved, because they were not identified as Armenians because of the same physical appearance.

I hope this helps you more.

The other things you mentioned. Well, same again, you wouldn't be under threat in Turkey just because you wouldn't look like a Turk. If you feel under threat in the Turkish gettos in Germany, that's probably because that's how German society works. Each community don't like eachother just because they don't look like eachother. That's something cultural, I think.

 

Cut the empty literature and drama Hans.If you know history,talk otherwise dont repeat the same western fabrications here with different sentences.

 

What you stated about the Armenians is simply not true no conversion neither to Islam nor to Catholicism was able to safe them. They were simply to die because of Armenians.

Don't worry about that, I don't have any fear to enter a Sorb-dominated a Vietnam-dominated or a Russian-dominated region, I never had any bad experience with them.

Because what I described here is how Muslim and only Muslim groups act.

Don't tell me it's because you cannot distinguish between Germans and Vietnamese or because Vietnamese don't have to fear attacks from Neo-Nazis. How comes that Christians in Turkey are oftentimes murdered, although that's not how Turkish society works?

 

Maybe you should do that, instead of painting hate pictures of others?
You are dramatizing every cold a Turk catched to a states affair and react on the mass graves you are producing by "Cut the drama". Lol!

Lol - several thousand notes are laying here in the "Archiv des Auswärtigen Amtes" and you want to tell me that I should talk otherwise??

So go off my back Ali and do whatever you do in your free time. Beating up your wife or whatever your hobby is instead of trying to give me orders.

 

Is this another bash Germany as much as you can thread?

 

Yes cut the drama.LoL I didnt paint any pictures.

Even Armenian archives are not opened all these years so cut the drama once more.

My name is not Ali and I am not married.A German trying to teach humanity to someone is like a donkey teaching quantum physics at university.

You tell me to back off because your lack of knowledge have failed you Helmuth.

 

They are giving out documents if asked by historians. One of the classic lies of the deniers.

Exactly what I described above, they feel cool to use stereotypes and giving other people names based on their ethnicity, but they cry out if they get simply the same answer.

What "Turk" will do now is expalining that calling a Turk "Ali" is racist, but why it is funny when a Turk calls me "Hans".

So at least one woman is to thank God for that.

Ah, and to add what this guy called me in another thread

which shows everything what I stated here even more graphic than "Hans".

http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...apologize-turks-mr-erdogan-2.html#post4766016

 

Not only, it's furthermore another thread of the "We Turks are all poor discriminated victims" - "We did not kill Armenians" - "But they deserved it" - thread.

 

Today none of the Armenian archives are open.The Armenian state archives and Tashnak archives in Yerevan are not opened.

The big World War I archive in Boston is not opened.

The Armenian orphanage archive in Jerusalem is not opened and no one can study these archives.But Turkish archives are open for anyone that wants to study them with a simple permit and we have more than 1 million documents ready.

Armenians didnt do anything except lobbying and getting parliamentary decisions for political pressure.It doesnt mean anything in historical perspective.

I didnt call any sentence racist.I dont believe in races.Yes I do think calling you Hans is funny.

 

Its "I dont have enough historic knowledge to discuss what I claim so instead I prefer insulting Turks based on fabrications" thread.

 

Well, go google "Muslim Armenians." and hopefully you will find useful information. There are also Hemshins who are early converts to Islam, they were untouched as well. Converting to Islam in the Ottoman era was not a big issue, what's more there were Armenian catholics and protestans that time, too. So please.

Let me clarify my position. I have never said that "Turks are all poor discriminated victims." I am not that touchy. In fact I have no sympathy towards the Turks in Germany. I think the Turkish community in Germany is problematic but the German society is as worse.

 

As I told you they are giving out the documents and confer them.

Yes, politics is one historical research another. The desparate cries for help of the Armenian minority are well documented in our archives with the demand to intervene which the Reich did not do not to get an ally mad.

There are thousands of documents alone here in Germany, notes given to Bethman Hollweg with the plead to protest, you can add thousands more if you add the notes of the Swedish or France archives. It's no new topic in general there is nothing unclear what happened in that time. And even exaggerations from the Armenian side cannot change the simple fact that the Ottoman Empire tried to purge them from the face of the earth. For about 1/4 - 1/2 of their entire population the Ottomans were sadly successful.

So and I think calling you Ali is funny, why don't you find that funny at once? You should appreaciate that someone shares your sense of humour shouldn't you?