2 Abortion Doctors Face Murder Charges In Cecil(*)County

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/12/30/authorities-abortion-doctors-charged-with-murder/

Ok deathers, here is another one I want you to explain and defend. In the other thread you guys defended a 24 week old baby surviving, I got a feeling this will be defended too.

I thought Roe v Wade didn't allow late term abortions? So how is it legal in Maryland?

Then I want to hear the defense of the 35 babies in the freezer. Remember in the other thread a 24 week old baby being born by c-section was defended by your side, so will you claim the nearly full term babies as not human beings and totally legit to abort?

 

Great questions, Where are the Deathers ?

 

Defending a 24 week premature baby surviving? Why should that need "defending"?

RvW allows states to forbid late-term abortions (after viability), but RvW itself doesn't forbid them, nor does it require states to forbid them. Most states do.

Suggest you wait until an investigation is complete before jumping to conclusions. It appears that laws were broken and the law-breakers are being dealt with. What more could you ask?

 

I dont agree with abortions after 20 weeks being legal (in reality the threshold should be set even sooner), so I wont defend it.
I dont consider US laws regarding abortion ideal at all.

 

It is possible they were born alive and then killed afterwards, which would make the case for murder.

But Grannie is right. Instead of jumping to conclusions, how about we wait and see what the investigation reveals?

 

The pro-death crowd has explained this to me several times:

Babies aren't human beings unless they're outside of the womb and breathing on their own. If they're in the womb, it's okay to kill them. The only exception is if it's a failed abortion and the baby somehow lived outside the womb, it's okay to kill them.

(BTW, a coworker of mine was adopted and learned a few years ago that she had been through a failed abortion. However, unlike people like Obama, there were people who cared enough to let her live.)

 

no no...babies aren't human beings unless the WOMAN says they are...see if you hit a woman with your car and kill her unborn baby, you can get charged with murder...even if she was on her way into an abortion clinic at the time..

 

I hope you are being sarcastic.

 

Interesting.

Nobody wants to touch this one with a 10 foot pole.

 

OKGrannie covered it quite susinctly. What else could there be to say, at least at this point in their investigation with so little information in the public domain (quite rightly)?

 

If you mean she dodged it without saying much, I agree.

 

There's not much to say. But if you WANT to see more of this sort of thing, i.e. abortion butchers operating illegally, just make all abortions illegal. A shop will flourish in every community just as they did before RvW.

 

I am not really interested in making homicide for hire safer for the killers.

 

So even the little that she said went over your head.
Actually Joe had it right, not that we expected you to grasp it, but there is nothing else to add till the investigation is complete and facts come to surface. If laws were broken those who broke them will face the appropriate charges.

 

Good for you, now do you have something relevant to add to this discussion?

 

WOuld you even notice it if I did?

 

So finding 35 babies in a freezer is nothing to talk about?

I go back to my original questioning on that note....

 

basically because there is no such thing as a "pro-death" stance - so why shouldn't everyone who is pro-choice ignore it? It does not apply to us anymore than the label "pro-abortion" applies.

 

We are just waiting for more information. No sense jumping to conclusions when we don't know all the facts.

 

Of course it is, but we need to know, firstly, if those babies were born alive. Were they stillborn and placed in the freezer? If so, its sick, but its not exactly the worst crime because they were already dead.

Were they aborted? If so, were they born alive? Were they euthanised or allowed to die naturally?

That might not sound important to you, Hat, but it IS important to know everything before passing judgement.

 

It's clearly significant but there is very little to actually discuss about it without knowing the circumstances surrounding it.

In general terms it's not automatically a condemnation of the people involved (a morgue will be full of bodies in freezers). In context, it does sound wrong but it can be dangerous leaping to conclusions in something like this.

There is clearly something suspicious in this case given the investigation but exactly what (if anything) isn't yet clear. Once the invetsigation is concluded and the facts presented, there may be something concrete to discuss.

Of course, all this presumes that you're interested in an actual discussion of the case rather than a blanket attack on "deathers".

 

Well this is a lie. It is you who insists on labeling your opposition in order to try to demean their character since you cannot debate on the substance of your position. So if we are "lifers" you are clearly "deathers". You made your bed, now lie in it!

 

Of course I would, I read all your posts and I am sure that some day you will end your struggle and come up with something relevant and on topic. I am sure of it.

 

Well if you were able to recognize it you would see that I already have, many dozens of times.

 

that must be it, or maybe not as no one else things so but you.