‘What Kind of Mother Is 8 Months Pregnant and Wants an Abortion?’

In that particular case since it sounded like the kid would never be able to breath on their own then I don't have an issue with it. THat is an actual physical deformity involving malformed lungs and I don't believe you can do transplants on young children.

In the OPs case it was seizures. Anyone that knows anyone with epilepsy or other disease which result in seizures will tell you that there are lots of treatments for it. Unless the baby was brain dead then seizures is not an excuse.

 

Yup, your post just reaffirmed what I said. and what I think about you. Thank cheese your disgusting abhorrent philosophy died out decades ago.

 

Moderate to severe is a broad spectrum. There are people sitting in asylums right now that don't walk or talk, there quality of life must suck as well. Why not ease their suffering and just euthanize them?

And the very word "probably" should be sending up red flags to normal people with a conscious. Probably doesn't cut it anywhere else so why would it be good enough to determine whether or not to abort an 8 month old?

 

Because there is a huge difference in euthanizing and not bringing into the world. It's a personal decision; only the woman knows if she is able to physically, emotionally, and financially cope with a severely handicapped child. It would mean sacrificing not only the woman's life, but those of the entire family. When the parents die, the burden (and yes, it IS a burden) would fall to the siblings, if there are any. It's too easy to judge and to say what the woman should do, when you don't know the extent of the challenges she would face.

 

To muddle the ethical dilemma even more, there have been cases where the parents were told their child would most likely have severe mental retardation, and the child turned out to be perfectly normal. Or sometimes the handicap is much much less than the doctors anticipated, and the child is still able to lead a relatively normal life.

Then there are other unusual cases where it is really hard to decide whether the deformity is really so bad that the child should be euthanized. I mean, do we just start killing little babies because they are blind in one eye, or are born without arms? Maybe there is a deformity that will make them hideously ugly, but everything else functions just fine. It can be a difficult line to draw.

 

Did you even read the article?

 

Because apparently there are no alternatives in your world. I worked with a foster home whose sole purpose was taking in mentally and sometimes physically disable kids that their parents couldn't or wouldn't raise. They gave them as comfortable a life as possible and shockingly the kids laughed and interacted with people. Amazing how, according to people like you, the "useless burdens" on society managed to enjoy anything at all. According to people like you the only humane thing to do is end their existence.

Only eugenicists believe that someone who isn't normal couldn't possibly get any enjoyment out of life.

 

You can't even imagine what I think of people like you who don't care about the sufferings of others....only about your own comfort.

Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

Have you EVER given a thought to how those people with "problems" feel ?

No, I didn't think so. It IS all about you and how YOU feel, isn't it?

FORCING them to live with their "problems" makes YOU feel all warm and fuzzy and righteous so it's a good thing.


YOU don't have to PAY for their care...how nice and warm and fuzzy for you....

YOU , of course, will make sure every one of them has adequate loving care until their deaths so no one abuses them...????"""




And you couldn't address the post of mine you quoted.

 

Good post.

It's unbelievable how people can NEVER empathize but only criticize from a safe comfy position of self righteousness.

 

These self-righteous UNFEELING jerks care only for their own comfort..they wouldn't read anything that has an ounce of common sense


...I just can't imagine the hard hearted cruelty of being happy these unfortunate people are alive....

 

That's a distortion. According to people like me, there are varying degrees of birth defects, and the most severe of those would only result in the child's lifetime of suffering. That's why you can't judge whether abortion in those cases is right or wrong. You don't know.

 

In some cases we can. For example, that woman who decided to abort at 28 weeks because her baby had a deformed left hand.

 

So go ahead and judge her and see how much she cares (that's assuming it's true and most of your "stories" aren't)

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What Kind of Mother Is 8 Months Pregnant and Wants an Abortion?’


A selfless, kind, thoughtful, loving one.

 

I did respond. You said the distinction was between being born and not born. That is the distinction used by people who support late term abortions. Normal people distinguish between viability. I quoted Hitler who made the exact same point. He also argued that it was the "humane" thing to do. You would kill and euthanize anyone with any disability that YOU deemed causes suffering. You ignore alternatives because you have arbitrarily decided what is good for someone else.

 

Seizures is not in any way shape or form a legitimate excuse to abort an 8 month old fetus. As I said just find anyone who knows someone with epilepsy or the other conditions. There are a wide variety of highly successful treatments available and more come out as time goes on.

Unless the baby is missing vital organs like lungs or kidneys which they need to live or if the fetus is brain dead then there really is no reason to abort an 8 month old. Someone posted a link about an abortion for missing a hand/arm. Because there are apparently no people alive that were born without a limb or lost one that are not functioning and happy members of society. I am legally blind in one eye, I wanted to join the military but couldn't for obvious reasons. Whoa is me, I should just off myself right here and put myself out of my misery. Wait, before I do that I should mercy kill the people in the wheelchairs at my university because they are clearly suffering.

 

There is very much doubt about it, despite your insistence.

Is that 1 year old attached to another person without their consent?

most of us already know what you believe.

Yep, and it was torn apart like pretty much everyone of your threads.

 

slippery slope fallacy

 

100% wrong

Abortion: In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost. - http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2091

Here are lots more definitions of abortion, you will notice (if you bother to read them) that not one of them states that an abortion is "killing the fetus"

Yet another pro-life standard operation of attempting to change the definition of what things mean,

 

What qualifies you to determine how much suffering someone else can or must cope with?

 

I am willing to leave some discretion up to the mother, but only in the extreme cases where most people could understand why she would want to kill her child to prevent it from experiencing future misery.

 

How "kind" and "noble" of you to allow another person to make some decisions based on the criteria you set

 

Nice try with the strawman but no one is discussing miscarriages here. This topic is clearly about medical procedures ending in the life of a fetus.

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What qualifies you? I am willing to at least give them the chance. You just decide arbitrarily whether or not someone should be put of their misery. You don't even give them the option.

 

I haven't decided anything and I would never presume to. I leave those decisions to the woman who knows more about her own individual case and limitations.

 

Ever see the opening scene in Batman Returns, where the parents dump their hideously malformed baby into the river?


[video=youtube;Dkoi4z_dQso]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkoi4z_dQso[/video]

 

...and YOU DON'T ?????



Under Hitler there were FORCED pregnancies and FORCED abortions and women were considered property of the state........and YOU want to FORCE women to give birth and obey laws designed to make them property of the state....so WHO has the most in common with Hitler???


And NO, I can tell by your posts that you couldn't have read the following :

"""Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

Have you EVER given a thought to how those people with "problems" feel ?

No, I didn't think so. It IS all about you and how YOU feel, isn't it?

FORCING them to live with their "problems" makes YOU feel all warm and fuzzy and righteous so it's a good thing.


YOU don't have to PAY for their care...how nice and warm and fuzzy for you....

YOU , of course, will make sure every one of them has adequate loving care until their deaths so no one abuses them...????"""