‘I wonder if we were too liberal’: Jack Letts' mother on her IS convert son

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  1. Bob Newhart

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    The Quran and Hadith specifically state and encourage followers to spread their religion through conquest. The Bible does not. This is why when people decide to get serious and read the Quran they many times end up engaging in Jihad through violence because that is what is encouraged by the Quran and Hadith.

    Just because someone claims a religion doesn't means that they are actual believers of that religion.

    One has to compare what they believe with the tenets of their faith and the actions of those they consider paragons of their faith.
    Once again, the vast majority of Muslims are only culturally Muslims. Problems only occur when they take their faith seriously and follow the path of their prophet Muhammad.
    Once again, the vast majority of Muslims are only culturally Muslims.

    Just as the vast majority who like to call themselves Christian are only culturally Christians.
     
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    Far right wing extremism is a mind virus. It's able to argue how 99,999% of the Muslims who aren't extremists somehow are extremists and so cook up lies against they all.
     
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    Somehow this by default ends by far right wing extremists demanding their version of the interpretation is the only truth and no context of the religion may be included.

    I mean. In reality, the very fast extremely devoted Muslim nations haven't stated a war in ages with the idea to expand their religion. I'm talking about Iran and Saudi Arabia for starters.

    In the case of Iran and Saudi Arabia: that's just a no.
    They are hardcore devoted Muslims.
     
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    For your "‘I wonder if we were too liberal’: Jack Letts' mother on her IS convert son"... it's a no.

    It's not liberal at all. You might as well think it's liberal for right wingers to go attack the Capitol.
     
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    There is no right, there's only the left. The belief in a right is just Stalinist agitprop.
    Not relevant. Muhammed said Muslims should maintain peace until they are strong enough to conquer.
    Iran and Saudi Arabia are killing each other over religion. Where did the 9/11 Hijackers come from? Who screams Death to America every day?

    Saudi Arabia converted to Islam through Muhammed's initial conquest. Islam spread to Iran through a later conquest.
     
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    When there is a left, it also means there is a right.

    Probably not.

    You say this, while there is no war at all.

    I don't see how 9/11 had the idea about spreading Islam.
    America lied to the world about the threat Iraq was, and massacred Muslims over nothing. America had a point about attacking Al Qaida and finished them off in 3 weeks to than massacre Afghans for 20 years for the sake of a regime change that failed. The US removed the elected government of Iran and installed a corrupt fascist who eradicated the entire opposition and so the only group around that could get rid of that murdering American puppet were the devoted religious Muslims. America also supports Israel ethnic cleansing Arabs beyond it's Israeli borders for decades on end. The US also fully aided Saddam Hussein to rage a WMD war against Iran, by selling mass quantities of dual use chemicals fully aware that they were going to be turned into WMDs. Rumsfeld actually flew over to shake Saddams hand for doing such a swell job on it all.

    So you know. That's America for ya.

    Islamophobic nonsense

    Islamic law prohibits forced conversion, following the Quranic principle that there is "no compulsion in religion" (Quran 2:256)
     
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    Were you under a rock when the whole ISIS thing took place? Because they "convert or died" a lot of people. Many people were beheaded, and the executions were publically broadcasted and available worldwide.
     
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    I just put up a religious text saying conversion is illegal. And here you are thinking it just aint so. Well, the highest scholar / the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia stated that the ideas of extremism, radicalism and terrorism ... have nothing to do with Islam and (their proponents) are the enemy number one of Islam. The Iranians called them Takfiri (apostates).

    So you know. Those are the 2 most prominent key players about Islam.
    I guess some just want to believe things are true to fulfill their agenda of hate.

    And just because it was a Christian norm, causing the Christians to be the most spread religion by far... doesn't mean the Koran supports such idea's. In fact, when Christians started to hunt down the Jews before the holocaust, they actually fled to the Ottoman empire and found refuge and good opportunities to thrive.
     
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    Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword - Yeshua haMashiach (Jesus to you)
     
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    ^ Tell the homeboy that then
     
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    The way that the world plays out, it is apparent that Islam, in practice, is very violent. But if you want to take a literal interpretation of Islamic scripture, doesn't it also say to lie to outsiders? Go ahead deny it. It will be another lie.

    Saudi Arabia is the way it is because of intense pressure behind the scenes from the West and in particular from the United States.

    Iran is a terrorist state.
     
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    Some young men and sometimes women seem to need something to make order in their lives. Joining ISIS or a sect or even a gang involves similar needs and they provide similar benefits to the young kids. I really don't think it has much to do with the parents and more to do with the kids themselves. A lack of self worth is at the core IMHO. Belonging to something bigger gives some kids that self worth. The military is like that too, it fills in holes and creates a new group or family. I feel for the parents...
     
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    Europe is having to deal with a rapidly increasing Muslim population.

    upload_2023-2-24_11-11-8.jpeg

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-20/

    A lot of them are cheap labor.

    I'm not so sure the European media are pushing Islam.
     
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    The Islamic State. Famously Liberal.
     
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    There are over a billion Muslims and in practice there is no WWIII. It's the Christian Judean western world who again and again massacre around. WWI, WWII, Korea , Vietnam... it's virtually free of Islam and full of Christian/Judeans massacring around. They have the biggest armies. They own the biggest/most factories where instruments of war are forged. They own the most WMD weapons on the planet. That's the world in practice.

    All you got going is a Islamophobic agenda. You got no response on my previous posts anymore.

    A typical Islamophobe claims that this is what taqiyyah is about, and they are wrong.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/taqiyyah
    the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury. Derived from the Arabic word waqa (“to shield oneself”)

    lol

    It hasn't supported a WMD attack on an other state by selling dual purpose chemicals.
    It hasn't made a coup against an elected government.
    It hasn't lied to the world to claim a country has WMD's for the sake to start a war
    It hasn't supported a small country to go ethnic cleanse +700.000 ingenious people around

    But the US has. They are the biggest terrorist state around.
     
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    Neah. Some European countries like Germany and The Netherlands welcomed in 100.000's of Muslims to come over to work, since a lot of their people left to all over the world after WWII. While France and the UK, through their colonies where they committed horrible crimes and robbed those people blind, had millions of Muslims being their citizens. This is like 50 year old news.
     
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    they are Conservative, you realize that, right?
     
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    Maybe I should have punctuated with “/S”?
     
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    :) yeah, Sarcasm is sometimes hard to catch in text, lol

    or maybe ending with </Sarcasm> :)
     
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    Islam is a poisonous ideology that will never mix with a western lifestyle. It's simply not possible.
     
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    I don't know why you think so when a lot of the Muslim population in Europe has come in recent years.
     
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    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Houssain-Kettani/publication/241278288_Muslim_Population_in_Europe_1950_-_2020/links/00b49523a836ede84c000000/Muslim-Population-in-Europe-1950-2020.pdf

    Northern and Western Europe have seen their Muslim population increase as a percentage of their total population. Many Eastern and Southern Europeans have histories of wars and conflict with Muslims and resist adding Muslims.

    My enduring image of part of the problem is seeing a couple dozen Muslim males looking down 20 feet or so at two topless women on the beach below in Villefranche-sur-Mer in France. Misogynist males don't fit in western society.
     
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    all religious fanaticism, Christians or Muslim or any religion that wants a theocracy forced on the people violates the 1st Amendment

    religious freedom is the only way, let people choose for themselves what to believe
     
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    exactly, just like Jews no longer stone people as the bible tells them too, those that take that part of their bible seriously would be bad people

    Muslims here for the most part are good people, just like most Christians

    but in the Middle East, fanatics have taken over - shows us why fighting for religious freedom here is so important
     
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