‘We have someone being murdered,’ said Kent 911 caller. 52 minutes later when police arrived, a woma

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's with the sarcasm and snarkiness?

    Firstly, there is absolutely no evidence of "institutionalized racism" in the field of my work.
    I dare you to show even one example of racism, institutionalized or otherwise among blacksmiths
    I have hammered out countless wrought iron gates, andirons, grapevine covered wine racks, elephants etc equally for both black and white clients and equally underbid for both so that I made very little money but never had a dissatisfied client.

    However, since you mentioned "police brutality", I imagine you mean that America's police officers frequently engage in brutal & racist acts.
    I don't think that either of us knows exactly how many brutal and racist acts are committed per week by America's police officers but there must be millions of police - civilian interactions every week that go smoothly especially when you don't act like a jackass.
    About half of the "vid after vids" I saw showed the individual suspected of a crime either doing or saying something that I would neither do nor say and that's when things go sideways.

    As far as the base and the statue of Robert E. Lee, I feel that it should stay for reasons that are both practical and aesthetic. Since I work with metal, I feel that it is a well designed and attractive work of art.
    As for the chronically offended and selectively outraged BLMers, there's no appeasing the woke, idle and obsessed, racist mob.
    After every, single statue and street sign bearing the image or name of a white face is purged from the land, it will be time for the "Reparations sweepstakes" and no amount of money will be enough.

    What is truly offensive is the fact that about 20% of America's high school students cannot read and at least $ Millions in wasted time, labor, materials and equipment to remove and store the statues, change street names and replace them with anything of equal quality.

    These vast sums wasted on superficial appeasement attempts are not going to produce any tangible benefits for POC nor are they intended to.

    About 1/5 of America's High School students won't have the basic tools needed to get a job or support themselves but it's all about appeasing an irrational, disorganized mob of idle, attention seeking miscreants looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
     
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    Ah sure. We got racism in banking, to even inside the US justice system. It has all been proven. And somehow you think you're so special and woke that this doesn't happen in your field of work. Right... lol


    Oh seriously? An individual suspect "said something" that you would not, and? You seem to suggest somehow that this is an excuse for police to start beating people. That aint any kind of an excuse in the US, while it is in a country like China. And ther is plenty of research around on how brutality and racism works out in the statistics. Ever tried to google?

    Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods

    An investigation of public records from Florida showed that about 3% of that state’s police force had previously been fired or had resigned in lieu of being dismissed. The study, published in May, found that these officers tended to move to smaller agencies which served a slightly larger proportion of Black residents, but with no significant difference in crime rates9. They also appeared to be more likely to commit misconduct in the future compared to officers who had never been fired.

    The use of body-worn cameras could be among the easiest interventions to enhance accountability. The technology gained traction after a randomized experiment published in 2014 compared shifts in which all officers wore cameras all the time with shifts in which they never did13. The likelihood of force being used by officers with cameras was roughly half that of officers without cameras. Furthermore, camera-wearing officers received about one-tenth the number of complaints as did officers without cameras.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

    The mob against the statue of Robers E Lee isn't racist. Robers E Lee is the face of racist oppression. You seem to be oblivious that the location and the height of the statue is a thing for it's racist supporters for the sake of pure adoration and homage to racist oppression. Oblivious by calling it "selective outrage".

    And you're just exaggerating that every white face is being purged.

    Happy people are more productive. So I've heard. And vast sums were wasted to honor the biggest racist traitors of the nation by white supremacists. Why do white people get that right but not the black people?

    The US school system hasn't worked for decades and has fallen behind to other western nations. This whole thing plays no roll in it. In fact, it sounds more that you're blaming the new wave of demanding equal rights to black people to the downfall of the US school system. That's a rather massive accusation that you're pinning on black people. You could call that a racist argument. Are you sure there are no racist blacksmiths?
     
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    When seconds count, the police used to be minutes away. Not its almost an hour. I thought they were sending counselors to domestic disturbances now!
     
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    What a silly and sanctimonious, snarky tantrum.

    If you ever hope to impress anyone with how super woke you are, you not going to do it by sarcasm, distorting the sentiments of others, and slandering people from a distant time period that you clearly don't understand.

    Firstly, you didn't even know what my field of work was but you still declared it full of racists. There may be some racist blacksmiths but the number of blacksmiths (not farriers) alone is so tiny as to be statistically insignificant.

    Secondly, my point in my dealings with police officers was simply that if you don't act like a jackass, the odds of your getting beaten are nearly zero. This shouldn't be too hard for even the super woke to understand.

    Thirdly, you don't know how you would have behaved if you had lived over 150 years ago in America. You may have been one of the biggest slave owners in the country and felt proud of the accomplishment.
    After all, Whites were slaves, Blacks owned Black slaves and treated them brutally. It was an entirely different time period that would be as baffling to you as the 21st century would be to someone from the 1800s.
    If you are sincerely and genuinely offended by the institution of slavery, you are welcome to go to Africa where in is still practiced and see how that works out for you.

    I've already explained the practical and aesthetic reasons I felt for keeping the statues on Monument Ave in place. We'll never know how many new computers, additional teachers and tutors for the benefit of illiterate High School students could have been paid for with the money wasted in the removal, handling, clean up and storage of statues just to attempt to placate the implacable, chronically offended and selectively outraged mob.

    Your virtuous sounding "...new wave of demanding equal rights to black people" has been anything but that. The year of mob rule has been all show and no substance just as the only demonstration of "equality" was the looting of Black and White small businesses alike.
     
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    Not exactly true, in Denver it’s against the law to collect rainwater.
     
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    The cops are under "NO" obligation to respond or to help citizens.
     
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    As we re-tool and create a more sensitive police force, I'm confident that those who have homicide on the mind will reconsider their actions and look to the sensitivity of the new, de-funded police force as an example and will show kindness
     
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    It's not like the cops are very good at solving crime which is why the police do not try in most cases.
     
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    as we move to a more sensitive police force, and redefine what is or isn't a crime, we should see a reduction in crime. For far too long we have tried to "fight fire with fire" with respect to policing. By removing many small infractions such as looting, arson and battery as being crimes, we can focus more on community service.
     
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    I'm not about to believe your field of work is so super woke that racism doesn't happen, like it happens all around you. And I proved how wide and frequent institutionalized racism is in the police force. All you got going against that is you calling it a snarky tantrum. Big whoop.

    You make a very very weird conclusion that acting like a jackass would give an officer the right to inflict harm, like some 1930's teacher got to beat a child. Hurting people's snowflake feelings by saying something you would not doesn't give them cops any right to start using physical force.

    It was waisted money by the white supremacist to put up that massive statue of that traitor.
    It's only fair the general population can waist money to drag it away.

    Chauvin hoped the times wouldn't have changed.
     
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    Stupid is as stupid does, sir.
     

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