‘We will prosecute’ employers who help immigration sweeps, California AG says

Who would have thought California would be ground zero for states' rights?

 

California is ground zero for Mexicans rights.

 

It's not that surprising. People just seem to always think of either the Civil War or Texas but the concept of states' rights is central to the way the US is organized. People only take note of California becuase we don't usually have 1 party rule under the Repubs and 1 party rule under the Dems or a government split between Dems and Repubs isn't ideologically bound to consider states' rights when making policy. 1 party rule under Repubs however and every crazy thing a Blue state does that would normally be dismissed has to be entertained or else the Repubs lose their most consistent talking point.

 

You make many assumptions that I cannot accept. Maybe you're assumptions are correct, or maybe they are not. Sorry, you do not provide insight into the thought processes and motivations of immigrants.

The big "illegal" label is technically true, but rather a straw man, very much hypocrisy. That, because this entire country is one of scofflaws, whether in traffic or other issues, and ESPECIALLY given that our federal government thumbs its nose at the Supreme Law of the Land, and their oath to uphold it. Immigration law is trivial, but constitutional governance is very important. The record of unconstitutional legislation is clear. The failure of Congress to obey its own War Powers Act, ever, makes immigrants running around without a green card extremely trivial. Sorry, I can't get excited about the molehill some see as a mountain, the tempest in a teapot.

 

An overwhelming biological drive compels my choice. An evolutionary adaptation that perpetuates the species.

 

Being heterosexual is natural for humans

Homosexuality is a perversion

 

To borrow from a Dickens character, "the law, sir, is an ass".

 

Entering a country illegally, taking up residence, working illegally, driving illegally, etc., etc., is nothing like exceeding the speed limit. That is a not a reasonable argument.

Immigration, and immigration laws are so important to EVERY country, that they create borders, and forces to protect them. EVERY country does this.

Why do you think that is?

 

Not in the case of illegal aliens

They broke the law and must leave

 

Most people have an overwhelming biological drive that compels an attraction to the opposite sex and precludes the development of an attraction to the same sex. To varying degrees some people do not, which merely makes it possible to develop an attraction to the same sex.
If most everyone seems to have a natural biological drive to eat nutritious food, I wouldn't make the mistaken assumption that the guy who instead prefers to eat sand must also be driven by a biological drive.

 

Think of how much better people made life in 1850 when they disobeyed the Fugitive Slave Act. Think of how much better people felt about themselves when as jurors they nullified that immoral law, in droves.

 

Mac, why don't you hold your elected officials to the same standard when they break the law?

Are they "special" in your book? Or do you simply approve of their law-breaking? Where is the weeping and gnashing of teeth Mac?

 

I always try

Do you have someone in mind?

 

I understand your fear and anxiety regarding immigration issues, and I offer my condolences, but with so much criminal behavior displayed by those who write and enforce the immigration laws, I can't get worked up about it. I have many immigrants living in my part of Florida. They have been here for years, and I have hired them on random occasions for years. I do not know and do not care if those people have the proper paperwork.

As others have already mentioned here, and as Stephen Colbert demonstrated some years back, it is very difficult, maybe impossible on a practical level, to get white americans to do the field work in agriculture. When I was in it 30 years ago they were hard workers and I did not care whether they had a green card or not. I still don't. Try as I may, I can't embrace the xenophobic approach. That so many americans get worked up over green cards, even as their government and the military industrial complex rob them blind, even as the government has trashed the Fourth Amendment and gathers all their personal info, just blows my mind.

 

When you start a comment with contrite and snarky BS, two things are confirmed.

One, you don't have an argument.

Two, you have no credibility.

Makes it very simple to ignore you comments and opinions on this subject.

Have a good day.

 

And you broke the law out of the goodness of your heart or because they worked cheap?
One of the strongest reasons for keeping the illegals in the US is that employers have a vast pool of cheap and uncomplaining labor. If we changed things just a little it would fix itself, and the illegals, well those who did not turn to crime, would simply go home.
Absolute enforcement of the I9 program, no exceptions and draconian punishment for employers who employ illegals. A requirement to show a valid ID before sending money to a foreign country. And finally take away the choice of whether to work or claim welfare from the able bodied. No more "Oh I don't want to pick vegetables I make more money on welfare and I get to sleep till noon every day".
Fix those problems first.

 

How to secede...in short, highly unlikely:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...u-s-a-four-step-guide/?utm_term=.6ac85f846a6b

The Commander-in-Chief federalizing the California National Guard? Quite easy. If the CNG refused and fought against the US, they'd all go to prison for treason. If they called in "sick" and did nothing, it'd be a slap on the wrist. Have you ever served in the military, David? If so, you know that taking the oath means.**

Spoiler: National Guard Oath of Enlistment

Note the order of priority..

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/32/304
Each person enlisting in the National Guard shall sign an enlistment contract and subscribe to the following oath:

“I do hereby acknowledge to have voluntarily enlisted this __ day of ____, 19_, in the ______ National Guard of the State of ______ for a period of __ year(s) under the conditions prescribed by law, unless sooner discharged by proper authority.

“I, ________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and of the State of ______ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to them; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of ______ and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States#Federal_duty
Federal duty[edit]
Title 10 service means full-time duty in the active military service of the United States. The term used is federalized. Federalized National Guard forces have been ordered, by the President to active duty either in their reserve component status or by calling them into Federal service in their militia status.[24] There are several forms:

• Voluntary Order to Active Duty.

Federalized with the soldier's or airman's consent and the consent of their Governor.

• Partial Mobilization.

In time of national emergency declared by the President for any unit or any member for not more than 24 consecutive months.

• Presidential Reserve Call Up.

When the President determines that it is necessary to augment the active forces for any operational mission for any unit or any member for not more than 270 days.

• Federal Aid for State Governments.

Whenever an insurrection occurs in any state against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor call into Federal service such of the militia of the other states. This is a statutory exception to the PCA

• Use of Militia and Armed Forces to Enforce Federal Authority.

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, assemblages, or rebellion make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any state or territory, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any state. This is another statutory exception to the PCA.

• Interference with State and Federal law.

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a state, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.

• Air and Army National Guard.

Air and Army National Guard can specifically be called into Federal service in case of invasion, rebellion, or inability to execute Federal law with active forces.
In the categories listed above, Army and Air National Guard units or individuals may also be mobilized for non-combat purposes such as the State Partnership Program, humanitarian missions, counter-drug operations, and peacekeeping or peace enforcement missions.[24]

 

Maybe some of them had green cards. In that hypothetical I did not break the law. But it doesn't matter, because like George Bush, I didn't give a damn if I broke the law because it was a stupid law.

I and others in the business at the time were simply interested in getting a dirty job done. We were not interested in what rules a gang of politicians a thousand miles away had written. Even in those days, politicians were held generally in very low regard. Nobody felt guilty about hiring immigrants because nobody was harmed AT ALL. It was a mutually beneficial business decision, nothing more.

 

That all depends on the alternatives

White and black Americans used to do field work

But as long as bleeding heart taxpayers are willing to supprt whites and blacks chosen orofession of Welfare Bum they will not work at any job that involves perspiration

 

All correct and agreed. In short, it's genetically programmed into us for perpetuation of the species. However, not everything programmed into us is perfect, in our best interests or ideal for perpetuation of the species. Skin lacking in melanin has a higher risk of skin cancer. Not a problem if covered head-to-toe in fur skins, not so good if a farmer in the Midwest or a Gulf Coast beach goer. Left-handedness? An oddity with some benefits, but mostly a PITA in a world of 90% right-handers. Blue eyes, light hair and fair skin are all recessive genetic traits...for a reason.

Homosexuality? No doubt in my mind it's a genetic anomaly. It only affects less than 2% of the population. Throw in the entire LGBT and it's less than 5% of the population. People often overestimate their numbers because of all the attention on them, but the fact remains being gay/lesbian, bisexual or transgender are genetic anomalies constituting a very small percentage of the total population.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla....ple-are-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender/
Drawing on information from four recent national and two state-level population-based surveys, the analyses suggest that there are more than 8 million adults in the US who are lesbian, gay, or bisexual, comprising 3.5% of the adult population. In total, the study suggests that approximately 9 million Americans – roughly the population of New Jersey – identify as LGBT.

Among adults who identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual, bisexuals comprise a slight majority (1.8% compared to 1.7% who identify as lesbian or gay); women are substantially more likely than men to identify as bisexual; estimates of those who report any lifetime same-sex sexual behavior and any same-sex sexual attraction are substantially higher than estimates of those who identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual. There are also nearly 700,000 transgender individuals in the US. An estimated 19 million Americans (8.2%) report that they have engaged in same-sex sexual behavior and nearly 25.6 million Americans (11%) acknowledge at least some same-sex sexual attraction.

 

I think liberals in california are genetically programmed to flood the country with illegal aliens from mexico

 

Would you be more likely to think the man preferring to eat sand is making a life choice or has a mental disorder? Perhaps even a genetic mental disorder?

Because it's so rare on the Veld, forests and plains, we're all wired to prefer sugar and fat because of the high calories in those substances. Now, in the modern world where it's cheaper to make foods high in fat and sugar, we prefer to eat it rather than healthier foods. It's a choice not to eat foods high in fat and/or sugars, but we cannot deny that there's an innate desire within us to prefer those substances.

 

So sad. So true.

 

No ****... If they lost. But if the Feds aren't willing to go to war over the issue (or if the majority of the states back them) that's wouldn't really matter.

 

Not sure waht you are saying here. Given that California had the balls to secede and stand ready to fight (they don't on both counts) are you saying the Feds would do nothing? Not even federalize the CNG and have them seize the capitol?