“American Democracy Requires a Conservative Party”

I think you need to go look up the definition of the word racist.

We have certain requirements for someone to hold that office in this nation. I have to produce a birth certificate to replace a driver's license so why shouldn't he have just produced One from the very beginning?

 

I agree that Republicans are no longer the party of traditional conservatism. After they abandoned the policies of Calvin Coolidge they've been off the rails. But that's all probably happened before you were born.

You liberals who want Bush Republicanism are not traditional conservatives! Get off my lawn!

Lol...

 

IMO, politicians with a credible solution for even one serious problem that did not involve sacrificing the interests of the productive working class would be irresistible.
NST. Alas.

 

The absolute partisan blindness that was required for the original author of this opinion piece, is totally astounding.

The left party has jumped off the farthest left Cliff they could possibly find and are currently plummeting as far left as physically possible in the entire universe

 

He was making fun of republicans - who had lost touch with reality. I remember McCain trying to pull the idiots back.

 

Projection noted.

 

America absolutely needs conservative voices. It needs moderate and liberal voices too. Take away any of those and you've got a surefire recipe for disaster.

 

Ironic post of the day!

 

I agree!

 

On top of that we need a return to compromise. We need politicians, and the people, to stop looking at people who have other viewpoints as the enemy. We are all Americans, and we all want what is best for America. The idea of what is best and the means to get there may differ, but not so much so that there cannot be acceptable compromise on all sides. As long as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is on everyone's minds, we cannot fail. As soon as the goal becomes "my way or nothing" instead of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, everything starts to crumble, as we have seen in recent years.

 

Great Thread !

But lets all be at least honest and realistic in how we got to where we are. His Name is Rupert Murdoch. The removal of the fairness doctrine allowed for one voice to permeate the airwaves, and truth to be left to the ages. Once truth has no place in the debate, then you are doomed to the very thing conservatives claim drove democrats, which is "feelings". The right in this country swallowed up the lies from Fox News, somewhat from confirmation bias, but so much more was that it made them feel good. The very thing they hated about liberals "feel good" mentality is exactly what they craved for themselves.

In the beginning of Fox News, it really just covered the news with a slight conservative spin. The "slight spin" or as some would say "conservative viewpoint", over time turned from "here is what conservatives viewpoint is" to "DEMS ARE GOING TO EAT YOUR BABIES". The removal of the fairness doctrine allowed not only the ability to lie UN-CHALLENGED, it allowed the lies to become more and more outrageous and egregious. Once that took place, truth and facts had no place in the debate, America become divided for the financial gain of one man, Rupert Murdock.

Im not a doomsdayer, but when Fox News lost that lawsuit, and their talking heads texts were released where they not only admitted to lying, but that they did it for money and laughed at their viewers, and their viewership stayed, I knew America was doomed. That was a watershed moment in Americas history. The only hope I hold for America was somewhat brightened yesterday watching the dems destroy the republican fantasy that is Joe Bidens "impeachment hearings". They simply laid out simple facts about how the hearings were being run, that the republican witness' weren't under oath to a congressional committee because every republican on that committee knew their "witness'" were lying, or literally had nothing, and seeing their faces when that was called out, was priceless as an American, but the look on Gym Jordans face when he was called out.............One for the ages.

 

I’d say it began before Fox, AM talk radio, has been around since the 1920’s, but during the late 1980’s/1990’s, the hate themes ascended building a receptive audience for Murdoch

And you are correct, no matter what facts are revealed, no matter how many times the right’s media is caught lying, the viewership stays, largely because those people aren’t looking for news, or facts, rather just confirmation that what they want to believe is true might be true because someone else is saying it

 

Thats a good point, it did start in the 90’s with Rush Limbaugh, but I also think that Rush Limbaugh was a 4 or 5 in his rhetoric, compared to the 10+ that we have today from the right. They lie and tell you their lying, and their base just eats it up.

 

Yellow journalism has existed since George Washington. Now it seems the extremists who are dumber than a box of rocks are driving the narrative.

 

You mean you miss the country club Republican neocons. Certainly these big spending, America last, war lovers were not real conservatives. Bush spent twice as much a Bill Clinton.

 

Yah not like budget conscience trump huh?
What you described is every republican president since Nixon

 

I am a devout but moderate left winger, but even I do not want an America where my own ideology is the only politically organised ideology represented by a major party. I need my views balanced by politically organised center right alternative as a counterweight. The closest we have right now to a right wing democratic party is the Libertarian Party and the logical solution is for it to move rather dramatically towards the center, a little less far right, a little less ideologically pure libertariaism, to fill the vacumn in the center, and become the new center right party - at least until the MAGA GOP party loses its nationalist/ populist devotion to Trumpism.

I am surprised that the Libertarians have not decided to move that direction already and grab at the low hanging fruit in some of these ruby red states where there are some traditionally conservative values voters ( pro military/ law & order, pro family/ pro business) who feel lost and forgotten. But political parties are incredibly slow at responding to changes in the marketplace of ideas. Its always the most ideologically pure of the pure, that go to the conventions and write the platforms so they simply do not even see the pragmatic opportunitys as opportunities, let alone seize them!

It takes so long for a new party to gather any momentum and for voters to learn they even exist. It would be easier for Libertarians to alter their branding just enough to grab those voters.

 

You are a regular here and I know have probably read several of my posts that referenced Trump as spending money like a drunken sailor. If not, the forum has a search feature.

 

Oh so when Trump hate others you find excuse why trump hate. Thank you for demonstrating your biases.

 

I've never heard him say publically that he hated anyone. So I dont know who he hates or likes! I suppose the same mind warp that allows one to read Trumps mind also allows them to come to conclusion about anonymous people on a internet forum..

 

Just last week Trump said his own hand picked Chairman of the Joint Chiefs should be put to death. That’s just from last week. Should I go on and give more example? But you never heard Trump hate anyone?

This is why I don’t come to any online forum and have honest debate with MAGA supporter. They live in alternative reality and you can’t have honest discussion with them.

 

No. No he didn’t. His exact quote was:

“an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH.”

He didn’t say he should be put to death. He referred to how(what he views as treason) was handled back in the day. Putting a spin on the actual words gets one to lie to themselves about what was actually said.

I’m sure you could give us an example of Trump telling people to inject bleach. Nope. Never happened. Not only did he not tell anyone to inject bleach(he asked a question to someone
about if it was possible to inject something in you to disinfect the body) but he never used the bleach. If you could find where the word bleach was used…. Well let’s just say you won’t in that context(at least from him).

Trump is an idiot, a braggart, a liar(but not in court), and a blowhard. Don’t need to lie about what he says to show that.

 

You didn't hear him say say hate, but you somehow imagen you did And we live in an alternet reality LMFAO.

 

You are right. Trump doesn’t hate his Joint Chief. Trump without hating , Trump wants to seek death penalty for a man who served USA over 40 years. Trump doesn’t hate this guy yet Trump want Gen Milley to die. I mean how evil trump has to be that he wants someone to die even the person he doesn’t hate. I can’t imagine what trump wants to do to people who he really hates.

And you are defending this guy? It’s speaks who you are more then who Trump is.

 

And remind us who was screaming about the administration 'doing nothing' and hyperventilating about the defense authorization act, even after it was invoked? Democrats were in favor for and purported the shutdown. Not just as a matter of policy, but as a matter of public perception.

If a poll were had on the question, over 90% of us would point to the left, not Trump for the shutdown. It's the left's baby.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...rals-covid-19-science-denial-lockdown/618780/

And then we saw as these draconian policies were impacting the nation, those who imposed them went on vacation.

The left used Trump's weakened position to demand things, and now want to use Trump to shield from their policies.

In the minds of the American public, its the left's policies. The left owns this part of the crisis.