“Black People Unite!” After Proposal by Black Racist – South Africa Votes to Confiscate Land from Wh

Stolen from whom? Can you be specific or must you use the generic "Black people"?

 

Hmm...., I notice that you have not replied to my last pot in reply to you. I have to wonder if my reply to you was sufficient to give you thoughtful insight?

 

He/She can't provide any documentation for the assertion that the land was "stolen" . This person thinks that just because they say so then it must be so. It only serves the racist anti-whitey agenda. Pathetic.

 

More data.
http://www.historynet.com/smallpox-in-the-blankets.htm

the United States had practiced cultural genocide against American Indians since the 1870s, but had not practiced actual physical genocide. The sole documented instance of smallpox in the blankets was approved by an Englishman and instigated by a brace of Swiss mercenaries. White American settlers and soldiers had murdered large groups of Indians, including women and children, from the 17th century to the end of the 19th century with guns, poison and clubs—but they didn’t use smallpox.

American Indians were notoriously vulnerable to contagious diseases. Scientists have theorized that the Asians who migrated over the Bering land bridge millennia ago were exposed to such intense cold that the diseased among them died en route. Isolation from Eurasia and Africa insulated North and South America from such contagious killers as bubonic and pneumonic plague, smallpox and tuberculosis. Archaeologists who have examined natural or manmade Indian mummies have discovered that Indians were susceptible to cancer, arthritis and, rarely, tooth decay but not much else. Syphilis appears to have existed in both hemispheres but wasn’t virulent in the Western Hemisphere as it became in Europe after 1494. Those Paleo-Indians not killed in battle or accident or by starvation died of “old age.”

Smallpox, perhaps augmented by other endemic diseases, had ravaged the mighty Aztecs and Incas at the time of the Spanish conquests and killed more than half the Indians in the Caribbean. But the chain of events behind the one authentic case of deliberate smallpox contamination began in 1757 at the siege of Fort William Henry (in present-day upstate New York), when Indians allied with the French ignored the terms of a surrender worked out between the British and the French, broke into the garrison hospital and killed and scalped a number of patients, some of them suffering from smallpox. The blankets and clothing the Indians looted from the patients in the hospital and corpses in the cemetery, carried back to their villages, reportedly touched off a smallpox epidemic.

The French lost the war and left their Indian allies holding the bag, and in 1763 Chief Pontiac and his colleagues sparked an uprising against English settlers in the Great Lakes region that had Lord Jeffery Amherst and the British forces close to despair. The Indians destroyed several of the smaller British forts, but Fort Pitt (present-day Pittsburgh, Pa.) held out under the command of Captain Simeon Ecuyer, a 22-year veteran Swiss mercenary in the British service. Ecuyer, whose native language was French, also spoke German, the predominant language of his native Switzerland; the British had retained him because many settlers in Pennsylvania also spoke German. Smallpox had broken out among the British garrison, and during a parley on June 24, 1763, Ecuyer gave besieging Lenape warriors several items taken from smallpox patients. “We gave them two blankets and a handkerchief out of the smallpox hospital,” Captain William Trent of the garrison militia wrote in his journal. “I hope it will have the desired effect.”

Smallpox did break out among the Indian tribes whose warriors were besieging the fort—19th-century historian Francis Parkman estimated that 60 to 80 Indians in the Ohio Valley died in a localized epidemic. But no one is sure whether the smallpox was carried by Ecuyer’s infected blankets or by the clothing Indian warriors had stolen from the estimated 2,000 outlying settlers they had killed or abducted.

Ecuyer’s attempt to spread smallpox among the hostile Indians was in no way disapproved. While Colonel Henry Bouquet was preparing to lead a British expedition to relieve Fort Pitt, Amherst sent him a note on June 29: “Could it not be contrived to send the smallpox among the disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.”

 

How can 60 to 80 deaths from stolen blankets amount to genocide?

 

This is not to mention the attempted genocide of Native Americans upon European settlers in the Appalachian/Cumberland Mountains as well as the Ohio River Valley;

 

No it's not, it means to SETTLE there with permanent SETTLEMENTS and improve and cultivate the land and infrastructure and CIVILIZATION.

 

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Yes, ThelmaMay today we can say that however, during the years it was done by the Imperialist of the 16th, 17th and 18th Centuries. Hindsight is 20/20. You can tell all those countries Portugal, Spain, France, Holland, Russia and Britain "Shame On You" for your Imperialist actions against the people of North and South America, Africa both Sahara and Sub-Sahara, India, Australia, New Zealand, and the Pacific Island etc.... All in all you are, so to speak talking to your hand, because no one from the past is listening to you. They have all turned to dust. So in your holier than thou statements condemning those of the past for their faults which also includes America does it make you feel better and justified for the here and now while Blacks turn upon people that were born and bred on the same land they were born and are now a part of Africa? Are you now claiming that genocide of White Afrikaners is justified for the wrongs imposed by the Dutch who settled in Africa in 1652 an equivalent 366 years ago. BTW did you know that many of the Boers married Bantu natives and had children in the 17th and 18th Centuries that are today Afrikaners.

 

Whatever happened to Virginia Dare and the lost Colony? Weren't they massacred by the Croatan Indians or is that just a myth?

 

This ^^^^^^

 

I don't agree. Looking at world history I see a natural trait of diversity. Different people in different territories have different traditions and beliefs. It started in the very beginning and is still here.
I also see a natural competition between different groups. An idea of one group (nation, political group, religious group) is competing with the rest and either peacefully (tons of examples) or militarily (also tons) wins the competition in a certain field where it is the strongest. Later it gives in to a more advanced idea or tradition.
This is life. Not anything else. There has never been an unchanged pattern for the humanity to live accordingly.

Only in the latest times we have a mixture of capitalism protected by values of banking secrecy and liberal democracy which is a source of unlimited corruption and a fake 'will of people' who elect populists which are in their turn easily corrupted by the international oligarchs. I regard it as a serious disfunction. Not as an in-born trait of all the people. The loss of people in any hencide is a terrible loss for the humanity. But it can be temporarily profitable to very few individuals for short or middle-term projects. This system at the moment is entering a period of severe crisis and we all either die because of it or make up a more competitive and structured idea to fix it.

The idea of social justice if not corrupted will live anyway. In this very case the henocide against white farmers is nothing better than henocide of the native African population. If there was any social justice it wouldn't have taken place. But all that happens is completely to the favour of corrupt capitalism (Any idea can be corrupt). If the white farmers are out - it would create a market and revenues for world capital. If the blacks get the land and property from the whites they would vote for any politician who gave it to them. So corruption wins at a loss of South African people, who are destined to be enslaved and get separated with another wave of civil conflict.

Henocide will never fix any problem. It will only create losses.

 

Not the people. The elite. The people almost never performed 'imperialistic actions' just because they liked the idea. The ideas were different. Spread of Christianity, bettering the land, getting the natives civilized, liberty and human rights etc. It might have been a lie from the very beginning. But the people of these states were naturally deceived. The only way to get the responsibility of the people for imperialistic actions was revaunchism and vengeance. This can really make the people responsible for crimes of imperialism.

 

They should confiscate the diamond and gold mines 1st, then they will have money to buy advanced technology weapons to conquer the rest of Africa.

 

Your posts were made at 11:54 pm and 12:49 am my time. I was sleeping not posting. Even if it was the middle of the day, why assume someone doesn't have other things to do with their day than respond to your posts?

 

Zuma was forced out!

 

There you go. It was the Kings and Queens of the countries I mentioned that sought the riches of the New World, Africa, Australia, etc., that funded and supported people like Cortez, DeSoto, Raleigh, Humboldt, Dagama, but even before that Muslims had invaded Africa both Upper and lower and Europe even the Pacific Islands, and the upper regions of India from 7th to and including the 18th Century. Notably they weren't to easy on the people they subdued and the countries the conquered.

 

Ironic since you don't know squat about it!

The South African Constitution PROTECTS property rights by requirement PAYMENT for any property that the government wants to take from anyone, black or white.

The ANC bill does not have the votes to change the constitution therefore this is not going to happen.

Too bad that you never bothered to "educate" yourself on the FACTS.

 

No one is proposing genocide. Why make such an hysterical claim?

As an international teacher, I have had students who are black African, who are educated and bound for university. They are cognizant of the history of their country, what imperialism did to it, good and bad. They are not 'turned to dust.' They are alive and present, and looking toward the future of their country. (I am not speaking just about South Africa but other African countries as well.)

They would like to turn back time and allow their countries to have developed without the interference of imperialism. The land belonged to their forefathers, all the tribes that inhabited it, just as North America belonged to the tribes that inhabited it. One difference in North America is that the native people were essentially decimated and have now little strength or power. But, in South Africa for instance, they are the majority population.

As both the majority population and the original indigenous population, it is my opinion that if they have the power, they can do whatever they want with their land, especially as the 'white's’ don't have any ethical property rights. I would say put it to a national vote, and if the majority of people in the country want some kind of land buy back program, they should go with it. You can disagree with me all you want, but that is my position.

As an international teacher, I have had colleagues from South Africa, white and mixed race people. I know and understand that, naturally, they love their country and, of course, want to stay. The modern country is one of a wide variety of people and races. Probably the best thing is for that to continue and for the people to work together.

However, in some way, the original indigenous people need to be compensated, not left in poverty as so many of them are now. One way is for the government to set up some kind of program to give them land. Something like the “Forty acres and a mule [that] refers to a promise made in the United States for agrarian reform for former enslaved black farmers by Union General William Tecumseh Sherman on January 16, 1865. ...” It doesn't have to be given to them in literal cash but, say, in the form of a decent apartment to live in and/or free secondary and college education in a decent school for academic or vocational training.

This would be a good thing for the US government to do for both blacks and Native Americans. Not literally 40 acres and a mule, but some compensation. But it is never considered because life is all about ‘me, me, me.’ People don’t want to give up what they have; it’s that simple. And if you are going to assert I am the same, that isn't true. I lived and worked an an EU country where 40% of my salary was taken in taxes to pay for programs that enriched not just me but the overall population. I had no problem with paying 40% of my salary for that. None. The country was clean, sane, and safe.

I know you don’t agree with me because you are me, me, me people too. But I don’t care if you agree with me, and I won’t be responding to any more of your posts because you have nothing worthwhile to say as far as I am concerned.

 

The facts prove that it was stolen. Try reading the history of the Dutch voortrekkers and you will learn about the Retief massacre and the battle of Blood River. They parallel the history of American settlers stealing the land from the Sioux in the Dakotas.

 

There is no evidence of any "white genocide" in South Africa.

 

Provide the link, all you do is duck and cover, and spout false history without any evidence. Where is the link I've been asking for?

 

There is no evidence of any "genocide of White Afrikaners ".

 

WRONG, the Leadership of the ANC just passed legislation legalizing expropriation of White South African Farmer's Land, it is THEIR LAND, they hold TITLE OWNERSHIP to said land, and it will be LEGALLY CONFISCATED WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION.

 

Your post was discredited for the deception that it is. No longer will members of this board tolerate ANTI-WHITE propoganda and lies. You were asked repeatedly to provide a link, and you repeatedly have failed to do such.

 

Why do you minimize the rampant organized MURDER of White South African Farmers who have tilled the soil for generations?