“One year old, US climate law is already turbocharging clean energy technology”

I do. I quote their work frequently and use their findings to form my opinions

 

Meanwhile back in reality, those of us who can read charts, have noticed that the growth in emissions in China has more than exceeded the total emissions of America. We are also able to observe the that the growth rate in emissions in Asia, China and India are accelerating. Bottom line, reducing emissions in America means more and dirtier emissions overseas for a net global increase in carbon emissions. We all inhabit the same damn planet. The only good thing that I can see coming from this is a world run by competent Asian overlords. They get the cheap fuels for themselves and get to sell their enemies the batteries, battery materials and solar panels that the Chinese have monopolies on. They have complete energy independence and their enemy is completely reliant on China for their energy infrastructure.

 

Really? Really really?

Must have missed it in all the AGW denialism

 

Seems like I've told you several times I don't denial AGW.

 

Could you please define MAGA ?

Clean energy is good but not if it means the government's going to micromanage every aspect of human existence

 

The best way to get someone not to listen to your messages to be a hypocrite.

The tone is set from the top

 

Yeah! How often did Trump wear a mask?

And they can do the bight thing 99.999% of the time but the one time…….

This is not a criticism but what I call “the dirty bedroom excuse”.

“But Muuuuuuuuuum! Why do I have to clean up MY bedroom when Billy’s is dirty too?”

 

Over a shorter time period. What America dumped into the atmosphere has not yet gone away. Plus America has been exporting a lot of its CO2 emissions to China in the form of buying cheap Chinese goods.
Then there is the other side of CO2 - taking it out of the atmosphere - best way is simply forests


https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-co2-food-deforestation

 

I see your post as apologism for hypocrisy in high places. Trump's not the one going around preaching it so he has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Like I said.... No one listens to a hypocrite and the tone is set at the top.

Large aircraft are probably one of the worst offenders but none of them hesitate to hop on one out of convenience

 

That was my point about Trump - he bloody SHOULD have set the “tone” during the epidemic (as well as a myriad of other issues like being a halfway decent human).

If you are demanding that one group be role models then it must apply to all

 

That’s quite the claim lol…sounds like a lot of celebrating and claiming victory over nothing.

 

Exactly lol. The climate law has not done anything that can be associated with it.

 

I'm skeptical how much of this actually makes economic sense and how much is more kind of a political stunt that involved a massive amount of money.

We all know, or should know the truth: that the "Inflation Reduction Act" actually was one of the major contributing causes of the inflation the country has recently seen. Politicians can be dishonest.
Some politicians knew there was already lots of inflation but they wanted to spend a lot more at the last minute for various pet projects, so they named it "the Inflation Reduction Act" to make it sound nicer and less out of touch with the current situation.

I'm all for bringing back manufacturing jobs to America, but at what cost? Where is that money actually coming from? And the purchasers of this "clean energy", are they coming from the private sector, or is government the one pretty much funding all of this? (Let's consider all the mandates and subsidies)

 

Then show us the numbers, and discuss those numbers in perspective.

A bunch of feel good articles are not necessarily representative of importance in reality.

How do we know this is actually making a big overall difference, or that it's actually a good use of money?

No feelings. I want numbers, solid concepts, and logic.

 

Sadly I don't think the enviro-greenies actually care much about numbers or cost.

It's "too much to think about", don't you know.

 

Well, just take it as an object lesson if you think that decent Americans will ever let maga extremists rig our system to help install a seditious criminal as president for life or destroy our democracy.

 

There you go. Fight them with insults. That should work.

 

Thanks very much for proving my point....

 

“control the weather?” Can anything “control the weather?”

Progress attained because of the bill helps prepare America for the future, small step, but shows movement in the right direction as opposed to refusing to recognize the reality

 

Radio rhetoric, offers little to the thread

 

A web search with any web search engine will provide that info for you. It is easy to obtain.

That said, for those who deny man made climate change, if you are really sure of that, then why don't those that deny provide evidence that what man does has no effect on the climate. That would be science.

 

The Government, “The Congressional Budget Office initially estimated the IRA’s tax credits would cost about $270 billion over a decade,” which is a fraction of the trillions they will pay in subsides to businesses

 

And one would have to ask what has any of that to do with the thread?

 

A Infrastructure Bill made possible by the President’s direction, there is a reason why no Administration since Ike was able to accomplish such

 

Probably more than one year, but it is a step in the right direction, a beginning, and the money spent is spent on proven projects