“Red States are paying employees to remain unvaccinated by tweaking unemployment laws”

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  1. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Even the 1905 ruling was State level, not Federal.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It can be said that nothing matters since no one gets off this Earth alive.

    It does appear you are okay with changes due to changing circumstances. Sometimes, the policy is unreasonable.This is one of those times.
     
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    That's life in working America where workers are at the whims of the company and very little protection.
    One of the main reasons for Unions 100 yrs ago.
     
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    When the government shuts down the ****ing border, it will have taken the FIRST step to addressing the pandemic. Until it does that, all the fascism it has engaged in is duly noted for the disgusting power grab that it is. The amount of economic damage the government has done is in the trillions of dollars, the skyrocketing deaths of despair are a direct result of governments actions, the great impoverishment of the working class in the past year is a result of government action. The government can solve nothing, it can only take a bad situation and turn it into a living hell. Government is not your friend, it is your enemy. It is the friend of the donor class and it is a friend of entitlement class. All other classes are sheep to be shorn and controlled. No thinking person can truly believe that the government's actions have a damn thing to do about health.

     
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  5. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    100 years ago, workers were subjected to dangerous working conditions and unfair practices. Unions did a lot of good. Since those reasons don't exist today, unions mainly just engage in extortion. Do unions help workers today?
     
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    And the best part is that red states are openly encouraging those first responders and medical personnel fired in blue states for exercising their free will to move to their states to get similar jobs. Great move in both cases!
     
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    I would guess, those that belong to a union believe so.
    But without a union, you have to follow what policies the company puts in. And often without the consent of employees. See your vaccine mandate issue.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So while you may support putting people out of work and denying them benefits they paid for, as a result of them refusing to consume a pharma product, I strongly oppose such practices. Where I live, 100+ first responders were canned for the same reason. Our response time was already slow, so I guess someone decided its better to let people die waiting for 911 than allow healthy people to refuse a pharm product.
     
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    And if your Union says you get the injection, you get the injection or don't work.
    And if your Union says Strike, you strike. They still get paid, you don't.
    Technically, you can't freelance when you work for a Union. They will kick you out, possibly black-ball you.
    The list goes on....
     
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    I said the companies have that right in America.
    People lose jobs all the time for violating company policy. Do you think workers have a right to not follow company policy and not be held accountable? Just because you disagree with the policy doesn't change the laws.
     
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    That's how unions work. But if the union says to get the shot, it was likely voted on by the Union members.

    Neither the company or Union can just change policies without a vote of the Union members.
    Once a contract is signed, it is good for the duration of the contract.
     
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    Agreed, companies can fire if the employee fails a drug test.
     
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    I do believe Calhoun and South Carolina prove you incorrect, and the health of the nation isn’t one of those powers left up to the States
     
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    You never address direct questions but respond with whataboutisms and deflections, bottom line, those States are intentionally changing their laws and guidelines to accommodate a select populace, fact, and the motivation for doing such is strictly political

    And specifically tell us what companies ask employees to prove they never had an abortion
     
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    You are using the term "company policy" as a sweeping generalization. Covid was used to justify changes in unemployment benefits. Why is it bad all of a sudden?
     
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    I answered directly and using enhanced unemployment as an example is not a deflection. Unemployment laws were changed using Covid as justification. No different than the issue we are discussing now. I do agree that both were politically motivated. My issue is with those who supported changes then, but oppose them now.
     
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    Neither Tucker nor Sean could have put it any better
     
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    If one can violate company policy, get fired, and collect UE benefits. Then is should be the same across the board. Give everyone UE benefits they paid for when they leave a job, fired or quit.
     
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    They are only changing their unemployment laws to accommodate those committing an act which politically they approve, they didn’t change those same laws back in the Fall, but now suddenly find it urgent to reward those defying the Government’s efforts to fight Covid, it is that simple
     
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    That isn't how it works.

    The federal governments power is limited, and anything outside of that limitation is assumed to be power reserved to the individual states.

    Can you please point to the power enumerated to the federal government which authorized its authority over health.
     
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    And many conservatives support that company being able to fire the worker.

    But the issue is that worker has already been paying for something, for such an occasion, so now that worker should be able to collect on it.

    But those on the Left are the real hypocrites here, since they rail on and on about worker's rights and employers having too much control over workers and oppressing/exploiting them.
     
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    Free Red states extending unemployment benefits for fired unvaccinated workers

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    Smashed Mouthed COVID Authoritarians demanding workers submit are major butthurt.
    Yes. The attempted exercise of unjust power is illegitimate.
    While a child can figure that out, many Leftwing Karen's can't.
     
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