“Republicans don’t care how many Americans are killed by guns”

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    When this happens, sellers lose their license and risk pprosecution.
    FFLs are... federal.
    Bckground checks: Federal law
    3 day waiting period: Unnecessary and ineffective.
     
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    Do you think a father who wants to bestow his rifle to his 16-tear old son should have to pay the $100 or so for local and/or state fees to run a background check??? Or for a person to sell his rifle to a neighbor, or a person he ran across, or met at a gun show???
     
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    So, the use of marijuana where it has been legalized has reduced use, right? Nope.

    So those with a cocaine habit or heroine addiction, are just doing it for the tittilation of the illegality..... the answer to that is a resounding no. I have no idea what your experience with drugs is (use or otherwise) but if you have ever directly dealt with someone with a drug habit, you would know how false your statement was.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As you know, that's not true. It is unfortunate that Repubs enact policies that enable murders.

    States undermining federal gun laws put every state, including Illinois, at risk
    In more than a dozen states, lawmakers have introduced legislation to nullify new federal laws designed to reduce gun violence. Some of the bills would even penalize police officers who enforce such laws.
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/3...nce-federal-law-state-nullification-editorial
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course. Obtaining a firearm should be more difficult than obtaining a drivers license.
     
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    Where are you getting that $100 fee information? Please provide a link.

    My son gave me a gun, and had to pay a fee to get the registration put under my name. If it had been $100 or anywhere near that, he would have squawked. So, yes, if you sell a gun to your neighbor or someone you meet at a gun show, you should certainly be required to pay for a background check. But don't sellers usually pass that along to the buyers? Even when you rent an apartment, you're the one paying an extra fee for the landlord to do a credit check on you.

    Buying a gun should be at least as rigorous as getting a driver's license.
     
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    The decriminalization in Colorado has reduced use among kids, and has reduced related criminal activity down to about zero, mostly just misdemeanor fines for using it in public. Streets are safer. Highways are safer because users generally tend to use at home and rarely go out, unlike going out drinking and all of the death and destruction around that drug. Reduced desperation about getting the money for that next fix has reduced muggings and burglaries. Plus, it has greatly reduced the strain on law enforcement and the costs of imprisonment. And the tax money is really good ... recreational users pays hefty state taxes.

    If you want real data as to how decriminalizing drugs works, look at Portugal.

    https://transformdrugs.org/blog/dru...onal possession,as fines or community service.

    https://time.com/longform/portugal-drug-use-decriminalization/

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...licy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
     
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    Well first we'd like to do something that might actually stop violence. You know, like enforce all the gun laws already on the books. But I guess that's just too racist.
     
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    What I bolded.

    I highly doubt that people 'stay home' with a drug once it's legal. More likely to stay home when it wasn't.

    DWI, be it alcohol, pot, or other drugs that affect coordination, perception, perspective and concentration, have a hazard on the roads.

    So, if they had to mug and burgle previously to support their habit, now they suddenly have the money for it?

    Two positives: The State can tax it, and the cops don't have to deal with it, unless someone gets excessively stupid and harms someone else.
     
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    There is no FBI background check required for anybody to get a driver's license.
     
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    I assume by registration you really mean background check. Those are not the same things. No state (maybe one or two, I dunno) requires blanket registration while many states require registration of only specific firearms and equipment which is done through ATF (all states require federal authorization and registration for normally outlawed firearms like automatic weapons) and I don't know what their or the local add-on fees are. Background checks are made by the FBI at no fee, but local states, counties, and or cities charge processing fees. Gun shops, as defined by law, usually have direct links to the FBI system. Private sellers do not so they have to go through local authorities who charge for the service. Such charges vary all over the place -- I've heard from $25 or so to $150..

    As I just said in another post, there is never a background check for anybody wanting a driver's license..
     
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    There is nothing wrong with policy initiatives just as long as one understands there are two and only two alternatives. One is smart, and the other is stupid.
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense.
    As per the norm.
     
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    What I bolded:

    Not so, as I can personally attest, not to mention many friends of various ages from late 20s to late 70s. Pot makes you want to gather in someone's living room, pop in a good comedy, and order pizza. Going out is often more trouble than it's worth, since then you need a designated driver. I would say "maybe that's just me" but it firmly applies to every cannabis user I know.

    What I put in red:

    With legalization comes price reduction. Also, those taxes could be put to good use on education and rehabilitation.

    If we bring an end to our collosal failure that is the War On Drugs, not only will we benefit, but so will those living in cartel territory. Add to that a lower gang-related crime crime rate, and we have wins all around.
     
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    "I've heard" is not proof. Failure to prove that $100 fee, but not unexpected, sorry to say. Google must not work on your device?
     
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    I said "$100 or so." I'm not going to check every state, county, and city fees just to satisfy your anal assertion. If you don't believe my figures it is perfectly fine by me.
     
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    You can not stroll in to your local DMV and quickly get a drivers license without proving your knowledge of the rules of the road as well as display proficiency in driving a car. The gun background check is a joke.
     
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