“Russia’s objective in the U.S. has already largely been achieved”

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    “Russia’s desired outcome in the months before Donald Trump’s election in 2016 was not simply to see him elected. It aimed, instead, to more broadly “undermine the US-led liberal democratic order” (in the words of a January 2017 intelligence assessment), an effort that Russia believed would be aided far more by Trump’s election than Hillary Clinton’s. This overlapped with its desire to “provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States” (in the words of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III), leading it to weigh in not only on electoral politics but cultural fights — investing in amplifying and exacerbating contentious social debates.”

    “After four years of Trump’s presidency — during which his central political strategy was to widen, not narrow, that gulf — he left office with a paroxysm of literal violence”

    “This is enabled, in part, by the existence of conversational ecosystems in which rhetorical and ideological bunkering is enabled. If you are a fervent partisan, there are mainstream outlets that will reinforce and amplify those views. In the past, Americans shared a broad understanding about what was unfolding in the world — an understanding that wasn’t always accurate, certainly, but one that meant the country was operating from a shared platform. That’s no longer the case.”

    “It’s a result that Russia couldn’t have hoped to achieve when it first started plotting its interference efforts in 2014, and it’s a result that pays Russia specific benefits at this precise moment.”

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    As de Tocqueville pointed out nearly two centuries ago, the way to beat any democracy was to wait them out, eventually the citizenry would weaken their resolve and demand a change of policy.

    Putin was fully aware of this long before he executed his long desire to bring the Ukraine back into the Russian fold. He planted the seeds back in 2015 knowing that if he could encourage hate and division amongst Americans in time they would never unite in opposing him.

    As the effects of his invasion become real in American daily life it is a certainly that the right wing media will even further escalate their attacks, deflecting off of the invasion itself and on to anything and everything Biden. Even with Bush's Iraq War the consensus in America at the offset was behind the President, but not today

    And it was all planned back in 2015, and aided by the GOP since
     
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    Was it that GOP that spent three solid years of perpetuating a Russian hoax. Is it the GOP programming kids with CRT? Is it the GOP running Hollywood and cranking out one anti-White anti-Christian anti-cop anti-Republican anti-personal responsibility tv show/talk show/movie after another? Is it the GOP doing the bidding of cultural Marxist in destroying America's identity under a tsunami of whiny butthurt wokeology?
     
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    So Russia invades Ukraine and somehow it is Trump's fault?
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It takes two to do the division dance. If you believe division benefits Putin, dems put in some overtime working for him. All those that treat their fellow Americans as the enemy is working for Putin.
     
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    So the Democratic Party hates America, hates our police, hates America projecting military power, loves high crime and drugs, hates America energy independence, loves China, loves communism…but Putin somehow thinks the GOP was the best way to go.

    yeah okay.
     
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    Well to begin, was it a hoax? With over one hundred and twenty actual documented meetings between Russians and the Trump campaign it is hard to accept that all of that was just coincidental, common sense dictates otherwise, well, unless you actually believe that Junior's, Jared's and Paul's meeting in Trump Towers with Russians really was about adoption policies

    And it wasn't the Democrats who with any ready partisan citizenry escalated the hate and encouraged disunity by publicly labeling the other party or any other group of Americans as traitors and evil, who used the power of the Presidency to personally attack anyone who even criticized him, that honor solely belongs to Trump and the GOP, and Putin helped set the stage
     
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    Never said such, nor even implied it, rather that Putin knew he could create disunity in America by manipulating the right and their media, which current developments prove he was correct
     
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    As I just said to another above, it wasn't the Democrats, who with an already ready partisan citizenry, escalated the hate and encouraged disunity by publicly labeling the other party, and even other entities in Americans, as traitors and evil. Who used the power of the Presidency to personally attack, not react to, or correct, but directly degrade anyone who even questioned him, that honor solely belongs to Trump and the GOP, and Putin helped set the stage dating back to 2015
     
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    That is radio rhetoric

    Need proof, document for us where Democrats proved they love crime and drugs, love China, etc., etc.
     
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    One group operates on religious faith in the absence of evidence and alt-facts, have an issue with racism and individuals that push for civil war or a separation of the US — it shouldn’t be surprised that is the group foreign actors have decided to influence.
     
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    LOL! Yes you did imply it.
     
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    Partisan platitudes do not change actions. Dems demonized Republicans and enjoyed a greater reach than trump. I am not defending him or republicans; they are no better when it comes to division. You are right to criticize, but you are not pointing with clean hands.
     
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    Politics is the new religion.
     
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    Crime is going up in every major Democratic-held stronghold. They love to release repeat offenders and set low bails. They enjoy the idea of an unfunded, emasculated police force. Show me how they hate crime

    Drugs are flowing across a border Democrats love being open. They love the idea of crack kits handed out to people. The number 1 killer of kids 25 years of age is drug overdose. Show me how they hate drugs.

    Democrat celebrities and sports institutions and politicians like the NBA defend China and refuse to hold it to account for cyber attacks, genocide, stealing our technology, not to mention unleashing a pandemic on us, and they enrich themselves, getting lots of money from them ala hunter biden. Show me how they hate China

    There, I’ve just done all the thinking for you. Your turn.
     
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    Putin likes the GOP cause they’re religious racists. Now I’ve heard it all.

    both sides whine about leaving the US cause their guy didn’t win. Keep fishing.
     
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    At least it is tangible and has real world implications.
     
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    Not because they are religious per say, but because they do not require evidence to believe something unquestionably. The elderly have the same issue taking their news from Facebook.

    I am glad you have expanded your horizons and have now “heard it all” — maybe you can use your newfound skills to find some factual positions.
     
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    Show me where
     
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    Unless one takes the time to look at results.

    At least believing Jesus loves you doesn't harm society. Believing politicians care about you does.
     
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    And young people are also prone to believing something unquestionably. And the black community is extremely religious and are also quite willing to believe what their religious leaders tell them unquestioningly, and women are much more emotional and more prone to being manipulated by those who play those emotions.

    How do all these demographics vote again?

    see. I can play these ridiculous games too.
     
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    Show is where Democrats called Republicans traitors, not some low level obscure nobody, but some one with the power of the Presidential pulpit
     
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    Everywhere.
     
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    None of that shows Democrats love crime and drugs as you claimed, you employed radio rhetoric to defend radio rhetoric, not facts, just demagoguery
     
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    And yet you can not show is any
     
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    Based on results, dems had, used, and abused this power. You are trying to hide that fact by limiting the focus on one person using a title. Dems had a greater reach than the pres. Stop pretending something didn't happen because they didnt have a title.
     

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