“Trump cared only about one thing: himself" - Bill Barr

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  1. Starcastle

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    What did Barr say about Trump that does not apply to anybody who runs for president?

    Come on I double dare you to say with a straight face that Joe Biden is in this only for love of country. While his idiot crack head son sells art work he did not even paint for $50,000 a pop you tell us about Joe's patriotism.
     
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    A. I do think Joe Biden is in it for love of country. What else would it be? Money, fame, women? He already has what he needs or wants, his ego doesn't need the constant attention, and he does love America. Does he still have the cognition? To me, that's a more valid question.
    B. What Biden's son does has nothing to do with who Biden is, unless you're saying that whatever your kids do reflects 100% on you. If that's the case, I need to quit now while I'm ahead..........
     
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    Regardless of their political positions or my disagreements with some of them, McCain was actually a decent man who cared about more than just himself. I'd easily say the same for Bush senior (likely junior as well), Dole, Perot, Reagan, Carter, Eisenhower, Lincoln, etc. Honestly, aside from maybe the Clintons and possibly Nixon, I can't think of anyone who even ran who was as psychopathic as Trump, and he probably beats them out.
     
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    No, you have that totally backwards.

    Our healthcare system is the product of fully bipartisan committees in the House and Senate. In fact, the system they came up with is not what Obama originally wanted. Senators and Representatives were fully free to report to the public the progress and direction being taken.

    The same happened with the immigration reform bill of 2013. Republicans and Democrats in committees in the House and Senate worked on a bill that addressed the various immigration issues to form a single bill. The advantage of that is that the parts of the immigration problem could be addressed in ways that they actually work together.

    In both these bills there were concessions made by both sides. In the immigration case, the southern border was allocated more than $40B, for example. In the healthcare case, there were more than 160 Republican amendments that were voted into the healthcare bill after reaching the point where only amendments could change the bill.

    These were the top two primary objectives of the Obama administration starting at day 1. And, BOTH were done in a totally bipartisan manner.

    Republicans have NEVER proceeded in that manner on ANY significant legislation in the modern era.

    In fact, today what we see is Republicans working hard to block all progress REGARDLESS of the importance of the problems being addressed.

    And, this attitude feeds into other issues, such as the RNC proclaiming that the assault of Jan 6 was perfectly legitimate and that attacking the equal access to voting and equality of representation is how to go about winning elections.
     
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    LOL. One can't negotiate with oneself.
    If an entire party does not want to negotiate, but make a president 1 term. Then the party that isn't interested in negotiating is the fault. Not rocket science.
     
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    Obama had something to say, and people bought the books.

    Trump was just a crappy real estate "mogul" who wanted a hotel in Moscow.
     
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    You are incorrect on the healthcare initiative. The vote was along party lines in the Senate and the House was a narrow victory with 34 Democrats voting against it.

    And the Immigration Bill died as the House never took it up.

    If my research is incorrect, please share specific links that will correct my thinking on this matter.

    If I am correct, the closest you can call any of this bipartisan was the Immigration reform in the Senate.
     
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    The success of the bill is NOT the issue.

    The point is that under Democratic leadership, the top two most important issues of the administration were chosen to be solved by BIPARTISAN COMMITTEES.

    It certainly is true that the Republican House Speaker Boehner refused to allow the immigration bill to come to a vote, even though it would have passed in the Republican majority House.

    During the Trump administration, immigration, healthcare and other bills were created in Republican-only conferences, followed by the use of political power to force Democrats to accept their result.
     
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    Now you are just fabricating and bending the facts and what you say simply isn't true. Keep believing what you wish. I shared facts with you.
     
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    If you have something to say, then say it.
     
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    Oh a hotel in Moscow is immoral now?

    Tell that to Hilton-Hyatt-Holiday inn-Radisson-Ritz Carlton-Sheridan-Marriott

    http://www.moscow-hotels.net/chain-hotels/

    Something wrong with libos obsession with Trump and Russia. Biden probably gave Putin the ok to invade since Putin loves to invade when Biden is in office.
     
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    About 15 threads now bashing Trump. You libos know he is not in office right? Putin sure knows.
     
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    Ask McCain's first wife what a decent man he was. Of course being a libertarian you voted for him in 2008 right? Right?:ashamed:
     
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    It is when you cater to Putin and do nothing to discourage Putin's contribution to your presidential campaign.

    Remember that Trump had TWO campaign managers who were unregistered foreign agents!! Both are criminals!

    And, it is the Democratic party that has constantly backed extended NATO protection to Eastern European countries against Putin/Russia.
     
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    Which was the same plan the Democrats had for Trump. Some were calling for Trump's impeachment even before he took office. Even though the Left was against everything Trump did, he still got a lot more done than Obama.
     
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    The problem isn't that the parties want their man to win.

    The problem is that Republicans see it as a legitimate tactic to make it harder for the citizens they hate to vote, to use districting to ensure they have less representation than their numbers warrant ...

    ... AND even to violently assault our democracy as the RNC has pointed to Jan 6 as legitimate when it was an attempted overthrow of our form of government.
     
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    You think it's ok for illegals to vote? Pelosi does.

    Do you ever wonder why the Democrats fight voter ID? Why they changed voter harvesting?

    Why is it the Biden administration is allowing hundreds of thousands of illegals to pour through our border?

    As for redistricting, you do know if you put around 750 thousands of those illegals in one district, they automatically get a new Congressman? They don't even have to vote for it.
     
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    trump actually achieved next to nothing.
    One of the reasons he got fired from his job by American people.

    Obama got a national healthcare plan that covers those not covered by employers.
    And the R party let it stand even after 8 yrs of repeal and replace. With no replace plan.
     
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    If you want national voter ID for state elections, they you need to be for national laws to stop voter limitation.
    IE, national works both ways.
    Remember, elections happen every year in the States. The president election is every 4 yrs.
    So to require every State to be the same, means you need to be for all of the fed gov't to stick their nose into local elections.
    Which I am against. We don't have a national election.
    We have local and State elections.

    No illegals vote in National or State elections. And I know of no proposal to let them.
    In local elections where they live and work, there are. But that's about it.
     
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    You need to not drink before you post. Fogs up your thinking.

    There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before
    https://www.cnbc.com/.../there-are-more-jobs-than-people...

    Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com › 2018/01/31 › pay-gains-under-trump...

    Jan 31, 2018 - Workers looking for fatter paychecks had their best year in 2017 since before the financial crisis, according to a government report Wednesday.

    Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar ...
    www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/14/blue...
    Aug 14, 2019 • Blue-collar path to solid paycheck. And as blue-collar workers have seen their wallets thicken, highly educated white-collar workers’ wages have grown more modestly.

    • Pay
    gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
    Jan 31, 2018 • President Donald Trump's first full year in office saw gains that easily outdistanced any year for his predecessor, Barack Obama, whose best showing was the 2.2 percent increases in 2016 and 2014. Six of Obama's eight years in office saw gains of 2 percent or less.


    CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-will-leave-30-million-uninsured
     
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    Here is the reason he got fired. One, Biden bought the election, promising over 30 million eople he would pay off their school loan. A lie

    Number two, promised millions of Blacks he would pay them billions for reparations. Another lie.

    Trump had the highest vote count of any prior President before him. Almost 10 million more than Clinton got. He lost because Biden bought millions of votes with lies.

    Number three. The bias news refused to tell any of the good things he did. Millions didn't know any of it.Almost all their reporting on Trump was negative

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    No, NOBODY wants those who are not citizens to have the ability to vote. That's just partisan political bull crap.

    Your claims about id and "vote harvesting" are just more partisan anti-Americanism. These are being used as excuses to raise barriers to voting - or even just to get registered to vote.

    Those crossing our border, legally or illegally, aren't citizens and can't vote.

    Immigrants aren't being herded to partisan political hot spots. I've never even heard anyone make such a ridiculous claim. What makes anyone think that such a "hot spot" (a ridiculous concept to start with) would be capable of handling such a giant influx?

    Redistricting is being used to ensure that the party in power in a state gets to stay in power. Through redistricting, those the party in power hates get far less representation than their numbers warrant. It is a direct perversion of democracy and equality.
     
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