10 Myths Many Religious People Hold About Atheists, Debunked

So, atheists are not just content to find fault in anything religious, they will go out of their way to avoid finding any fault whatsoever in atheism?

Just look at it. There are indeed many rude atheists, that does not mean all atheists are, but enough are that it has shaped perceptions of atheism - assuring us that this out is not the case when guys like Dawkins run loose and offensive as the poster child of atheism is silly (of course he's just telling the truth, so the fact that he is being a jerk should just be ignored.)

And how in their right mind can anyone claim atheism is multicultural when it specifically rejects almost all other religions? When mega-atheist Hitchens spends his entire profession blasting religion with language and accusations that sound like Nazis describing Jews? Really, religion causes war and worse? How exactly is THAT multicultural or tolerant.

Well, most atheist don't see themselves that way. Noted.

Please note that most theologians classify atheism as self worship. The OP would seem to confirm that view.

 

It would be nice to see atheist actually approach their own beliefs with some amount of objectivity and an open mind. When we get the usual banter about atheism not being definable (no book, more than one book - whatever) and then the dead pan claim that atheism is JUST a lack of belief (even as many books on atheism and its various sects openly contradict) and that this point is so utterly clear that it is not debatable ... noting the oft heard commentary about religion authoritarian and unthinking ... well, why should anyone buy that merely because an atheist doesn't want to acknowledge the intellectual shortcomings of his faith choice ... just everyone else's.

To be blunt the atheists who state this are often the ones who most loudly demand iron clad proof. And despite all the claims, which I view as excuses, atheists are certain there is no God.

Doubt it? Then why are so many atheists con index religious people have it all wrong, because they just don't believe? Really.

If you deny atheists, you have your reasons, and like anything human all those reasons are NOT entirely logical, nor are the explainable in a simple dictate of being beyond debate.

 

I'm not talking about who is right, who is wrong, or any religion.

I'm just saying Atheism isn't a religion and doesn't have a doctrine.

 

What many Christians fail to understand is that Atheism is the result of an accummulation of knowledge whereas Christianity is a rejection of the accummulation of knowledge.

Religions evolve from previous religions taking what they want and rejecting that which they don't want to form a new religions. We've seen this with the Hebrew religion and it's obvious plagerism from the Epic of Gilgamesh in the Books of Moses. Then we see it again in the Christian religion where Greek mythology is incorporated into the Book of Revelation with references to the Greek god Hades. Athiests see the evolution of religions and know that they were all started by men and not by any god or gods. We know that religions address the insecurities inherent in most people and feed on those insecurities.

These are not beliefs but instead a purely objective look at religion. Objectivity and knowledge creates the athiest and not ignorance, insecurity and faith.

 

The thing about preemptive strikes is that it is based completely on what COULD happen, and not what WILL happen. You attack someone because they COULD attack you, not because you know they will.

 

With rare exceptions authorized by the UN Security Council pre-emptive attacks against foreign nations are a violation of international law and the laws and customs of war. They are rightfully considered to be crimes against humanity.

 

Bwahahahah.

See #3 in the OP...

Oh yeah...you're so "objective."

 

There is also something called logistics. Most Americans, who have never served, have little understanding of military formations and what it takes to move them in to attack positions. There is a reason it took months to deeply forces in advance of the Iraq war, ans only the most blind of fools would fail acknowledge the massive assembly of tanks and artillery in advance of the six day war. At some point, given the expense and resources required, the intent of massing such forces becomes nakedly transparent.

All nations have a eight to defend themselves and if someone is telegraphing their intent a Nation is not legally bound to just sit and wait to take a punch before protecting its citizens.

By analogy, if someone is telling everyone that they are going to kill you, picks up a weapon and starts walking down your street ignoring all pleas to stop ... you could probably wait until he shoots at you and your family, or you could shoot him first.

I doubt very seriously whether anyone would call shooting first in those circumstances illegal.

 

That is not what you said. You said atheism does not have any one book, and is, doctrinally, just the lack of belief -(even though several of those books on atheism disagree).

Now we apparently have other qualifiers, and the simple reality of reading atheist post about the inability of Christians to define atheism - well, it would seem atheists have the same problem.

Not having a definable doctrine or standard is not a good thing. The eschewing of standards and goals is generally considered stagnating, while it simultaneously allows satanists to claim they are merely strong atheists - as atheists have no doctrine, they have no method to refute this either.

 

Pleas share with is this body of objective knowledge that only atheist have? By all means, what bit of education have you been exposed to or have accepted that no religious person has?

Its knowledge that lead you to conclude there is no God? Well, then there should be a testable and logical proof that leads to such a conclusion, a body of objective knowledge if you will. Please bear in mind science is not atheism and plenty of us apparently unintelligent Christians get along with science just fine.

Me thinks, given the often atrocious presentations of religion I see routinely from atheists, the most atheists knowledge of religion is at best cursory and often highly emotional - I think atheist should probably take a look at their own objective knowledge gaps.

 

Funny thing is that even theists can see the evolution of religions and yet remain completely unaffected by it. This is when they things like "I'm not religious", "faith is from God, religion is from man" or "Christianity is not a religion".

 

Every member nation of the United Nations is bound by treaty to not attack another nation (except with UN Security Council authorization) and they have agreed by becoming a member that such an attack is a violation of the laws and customs of war and is a crime against humanity. They can't have it both ways.

Of course the 1967 6-Day War blows the example completely out of water as Egypt unquestionably assembled it's military forces near the Israeli border and, even in spite of the rhetoric at the time, it is known historically that Egypt had no intention of attacking Israel.

The only relevance this has to the topic is that the 6-Day War was motivated by the religious/ethnic intent of the "zionists" in Israel to acquire territory which violated the Rights of Sovereignty, Self-Determination and Property of the Arabs living in Palestine. It can rightfully be called a "religious war" which makes it relevant. Of course we can also refer to the entire Cold War that the Christains in American turned it into the Cold War Against the Godless Russians as opposed to being a "Cold War" against a government of tyranny. The changing of the wording in the Pledge of Allegence and the adoption of "In God We Trust" were both founded upon changing the Cold War into a Religious War. It stopped being the opposition of tyranny and became the opposition against athiests created by the Christians. The loss of life around the world because of US military actions was founded upon the Christians v Athiests as opposed to a fight against tyranny and millions of people died.

 

Atheists are not certain there is not a god, they simply do not see the evidence for one.

This has been explained to you, very slowly, on more than one occasion, yet you continue to purposefully lie about the position of atheism.

 

We fundamentally disagree. The relatively recent revisionism of Egypt's intent in 1967 is just that. The idea that a coalition of military forces swearing for decades to invade and destroy Israel, moves dozens of divisions and aryltillery peices into attack positions on multiple front (think Jordan and Syria) and does the exact same thing again in 1973 ... but, really in 1967 they were as innocent as purely driven snow?

ISRAEL is not Russia, they have no strategic depth, and at some point as a professional military strategist I am telling you that modern battle forces are not moves into strategic attack positions with innocent interest intent. It is the same reason why military professionals around the world were baffled as the build up happened, and Saddam Hussein thought it was a bluff. When nations spend billions staging their forces, their intent is clear.

And the simple reality is that war happens, when if the UN says it should not. Nations still have a duty to defend their citizens.

The religious aspect of this is wisdom. Context is different for very situation, and pr-emptive strikes are valid in some cases and excuses for murder in others. Religion cautions us not to seek a one size fits all rule, but to weigh context and justice in decision.

ISRAEL was right in 1967, that does not mean she is always right, but in that instance she was, brilliantly so.

 

The funny thing is that the reality of religious development is not evolutionary, and, as I have long complained, if atheist bothered to study the subject before casting judgement it is easily demonstrated.

One example, often fousted, is the tales of Gilgamesh some how evolving into the history of Hebrew people in the OT. Such a consideration indicates a lack of familiarity with both texts.

Not too mention the evolution of religion would require there to be definitive winners and losers. Monotheism in such a construct should be the winner, except Hinduism remains as does nebulous Buddhism. Are there principles that are shared by religions? You bet, but that does not mean one caused the other, it just means people have long recognized that destructive practices if lying and theft.

Once again, I am left dumbstruck by the lack of expertise I have atheism on religion in general. The repeated assurances of said expertise should fall on deaf ears, it is simply not factually correct t in terms of modern reality or the recorded origins of any faith. That simple.

 

Im not going to get in on this entire debate. I am an Atheist and I am secure in my (lack) of belief. However I have never felt it was my place to tell someone else what they should or shouldnt believe in.

With that said, I just wish that people would quit killing each other over religion. There is no denying that many of the conflicts in the world have a basis in religion and that is just sad and unneccessary.

My religion is Peace I guess you could say.

 

I agree to an extent. Religion would almost be a non-issue, however people use the government to force religion on other people, gay marriage is denied on religious grounds, religious people throw a fit over STD vaccinations, medicine is hindered by religion, science is hindered by religion, our education system would slip if we gave creationism "equal time", people die every year because of their religious beliefs.

That is the issue. It is not so much the theists cowering in the corner as the secularists harass them, is it the theists denying people civil rights because of what their religious convictions are.

 

What? Where the hell do you live - Barefoot Alabama?

 

Colorado thankfully.

There is no way in hell I would live in the south. Not sure if being a non-believer or a socialist would get me crucified first.

 

I am curious wolf, where were you educated?

I ask this because your last few posts show a callous disregard for facts and are totally lacking in critical thinking. Indeed your posts read like an atheist manifesto of practiced talking points utterly lacking in original thought.

The south, in the US, is apparently a place where you would be crucified? So, despite lacking anything other than regional stereotyping starkly at odds with reality, we are supposed to treat your observations of dire threat with respect, as if they are valid concerns rather than flacid excuses?

Furthermore, despite constitutional protections and wide and fruitful body fully secular Christians, we are supposed to take ill defined claims of government support, apparently highly cohersive antics, as if they are truthful? How exactly, is the government forcing religion down your throat? Let's even pretend that you, indeed many atheists, have been asked this question before and, though you could not fi d a valid instance of this overt oppression, it isn't stopping you from beating the drumbeat of victimhood.

And people say atheism is objective? The why do they see themselves as constant victims from things that everyone else deals with just fine?

Me thinks most atheists just need something to rail against, no matter his innocuous or imaginary.

 

Tell me, do you think Al Qaeada is about religion or political power?

You might be interested in knowing that Al Qaeda's goal is to establish a Caliphate. And guess who would be in charge of said Caliphate?

Tell me, why do you think Bin Laden wanted the US out of Saudi Arabia?

Now, please take look at political power and transitions in historical monarchies.

Tell that is all about religion.

 

Colorado is liberal for the most part... I've been there a couple times... Why are they so suprised you're an athiest?

 

I skimmed the rantish bits, but to answer your question of oppression, it is clearly stated in the post you quoted.

To repeat (slowly):

- Gay marriage
- Stem cell research
- Creationism in schools

Those are all great examples of people shoving religion down others people throats.

 

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

--George H.W Bush.

Imagine if a sitting president said something like this about Christians.

 

Only religious people can say such divisive things and be politically commended for it.