100,000 DEATHS

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  1. George Bailey

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    That message was not for you. I read your response and each of your three points were incorrect and even if any of them were they would not warrant all this "blood on his hands" "murderer" garbage.
     
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    To understand the pandemic response dismantling, and to rebut the right's rebuttal on that point, is complex, requiring context. The article states is so much better, and the rolling stone is a timeline, great reference article.

    I don't have a short reply to give you.
    The short answer is that, despite the advise of his advisors, he didn't act anywhere near what he could have, and didn't do anywhere near as much as he should have, plus giving America bad advice, ignoring science which other professionals have had to mitigate his excesses, plus the dismantling of the pandemic response team.

    The articles provide great detail on these claims, plus context.

    It's extremely clear Trump is not up to the job.
     
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    Hospitals are no longer in danger of being overwhelmed but you are correct in thinking it was basically only NY that ever faced that danger. As for taking explicit action to make workplaces unsafe, care to illustrate?
     
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    Economic decisions need to be made outside of medical science. At some point the medication is more harmful than the disease
     
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    Unfortunately the economy will get crushed with it.
     
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    Yes we know you hate Trump. lol
     
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    The governors who conspired to destroy the economy should hold their heads in shame.
     
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    Why do you laud NY and NJ? Combined they are the locus of about 1/3 of the deaths in the US with a small fraction of the population.
     
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    Trump has emergency powers.

    The reason we are doing worse than the other developed countries is because Trump isn't doing his job.

    You need lies that are, at least, a teeny tiny bit plausible.
     
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    I guess President Wilson wasn't up to the job during the Spanish Flu, right?

    Truly there is no crisis Democrats will not politicize, once again putting party over country.
     
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    This is unbelievable nonsense.

    In our society there is NO way to EVER divide economics from heealthcare.
     
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    We aren't doing worse than other developed countries. We are about in the middle of the pack.
     
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    Differently? Tests. Lots and lots of tests.
     
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    I could have done that better.

    South Korea got their first case same time we did. They've nearly stopped the spread.

    We have the technology, the money, the medical infrastructure, we have every resource we need to reduce mortality. But we seem stuck.

    The reason is simple, a lack of leadership.
     
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    You have NO other defense.

    All you can do is claim that opposing the deadly lack of leadership that continues today is purely emotioanl - that 100,000 death count and the numerous failures that are continuing to increase that count should just be ignored.

    In the face of that, you have "lol".
     
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    It’s really not that complicated. Economics and healthcare are two different issues but we can’t ignore the economic impact of a healthcare based economic shutdown that will destroy the economy. Sure we could save lives if everyone stayed home for the next year but we’d be in an economic depression that would be far more costly to people’s health and well being.
     
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    And again your purely emotional response is evidence of your hate for Trump which makes any rational discussion of Trump policies impossible for you
     
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    That didn't age well.
    Sweden releases early results of 'herd immunity' strategy
    Sweden adopted a 'herd immunity' plan that uses more relaxed measures to control coronavirus, but a survey by the government found only 7.3 percent of people in Stockholm had developed the antibodies needed to fight the disease by late April. CNN's Phil Black reports.
    Source: CNN

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/20...ldn-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus-intl/
     
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    Source CNN = LOL
     
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    They got hit hard and early for reasons that have nothing to do with their response - major international travel, high density, and several others.

    Epidemiologists show that almost all the COVID in America came from Europe. That had nothing to do with any decision that NY or NJ could have made.

    AND, they subdued it with leadership, medical science an the cooperation of the population - even with essentially no help. Outstanding!

    They had doctors and nurses in "at risk" age groups coming back to fight for the lives of New Yorkers - and as expected being found among the dead.

    Nobody can carry a candle to NY. They based their response on truth and leadership and they walked the walk.
     
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    “I love the poorly educated”—Read Donald Trump’s full Nevada victory speech
    February 24, 2016
     
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    Without a video, they never gonna believe you:

     
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