100,000 DEATHS

The thing is, they have been convinced by Fox News that covid is just like the regular flu, so nothing to worry about.

And even if there was something to worry about, it only hits those amoral New Yorkers, the good Trump fan in the heartland is protected because they think the virus won't get there.

As usual, people are unable to see the impact until it hits home. Unfortunately, when a pandemic hits home (the heartland), it is almost too late to do anything about it.

 

Fortunately, you won't see the mass starvation in the third world at all. They are euthanizing pigs and chickens in the heartland, crops are rotting in the fields. That food was going to be eaten by someone, but now it isn't.

Who is going hungery?

You probably won't see the suicides, the overdoses, the murders sparked by being unemployed and broke. I doubt the Treasury can print money indefinitely but perhaps you disagree.

And the real tragedy is that your approach is futile. You will have plunged the world into the Greatest Depression of All Time and won't have saved very many lives, if any.

Talk about lose lose.

You won't be so smug then.

 

Amen.

One would think that America would pull together against a clear and very real threat of this magnitude.

 

Trump's Cult loves death and failure.

 

Maybe you should double down on calling people stupid, deplorable and psychopaths.

 

I'm sorry, but I do see the objecive of 80% of America coming down with COVID as being psychopathic.

 

It is going to happen no matter what.

I see the delusion that you can contain the virus as psychotic.

 

This is a philosophy problem involving taking actions that are certain to increase deaths today in hope of saving other lives sometime in the future.

I don't see any way for that argument to be made.

The number of deaths between here and herd immunity is huge.

And, we have ways now and are working on more effective ways for reducing deaths below the numbers we see today.

As for the future, there isn't any real info on how many might be saved by herd immunity. Will that be required beyond such time as we have a working vaccine or effective treatment? How good is this immunity we hope for. How fast is this SARS mutating?

These philosophy problems almost always fall out on the side of NOT taking lives now in order to save other lives later.

And, in this case medical experts are telling us that we need to take a nation wide approach to reducing deaths.

 

It is not psychotic at all. In 2014-2016, West Africa eventually contained the Ebola outbreak. Sierra Leone, for example, had 14,000 cases and almost 9,000 deaths. Their population is 7.6 million. So, you see, having the virus just run rampant to achieve herd immunity wouldn't have been an option, because it would have meant 3+ million dead people. Instead, less than 1% of the population was infected, which was already bad enough.

My guess: If covid had a 20+% death rate, you would be singing a different tune too, fully backing the lockdowns. We could contain covid too, if we wanted to. the problem is, there is a part of the population that wants to get a haircut, no matter what. That stupidity is what the virus relies on.

 

The question isn't whether it will happen eventually. It may to some extent and it may be of some level of importance - hard to know now.

The question is what our actions should be today - whether reaching herd immunity is something that should be considered an objective - overriding the objective of saving people's lives today.

 

The Ebola virus is not SARS-Covid-2 and industrialized countries are not Sierra Leone. A better example is Korea which, despite great efforts, has failed to contain the virus. No country has contained the virus.

 

Do you really believe that?...or does it just sound good to the demented mind?

 

Spain and Italy are ending their lockdowns, sans vaccine, sans cure, other European countries are proceeding to do the same. Sweden never had one.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/european-countries-set-to-further-ease-lockdowns/ar-BB14dLXc

What is so different in the US that we should be behave differently?

 

Sweden's case count grew by 12% over this last week.

The US increased by 9%.

I think you need to develop a case for following Sweden if that's what you really want to do.

It makes more sense that we should be studying how NY accomplished a reduction so large that it dragged down the stats for the USA as a whole!

 

Haven't I developed a case? Attempts to stop the virus are futile or exist only in the indefinite future.

NY is closing in on herd immunity. A month ago they were at 20% infected. That must have at least doubled.

The weather probably helps, too.

 

Only the president has projected "stop" as being realistic.

I don't believe weather has been that different in NY.

CDC and other medical science says "herd immunity" requires 80%.

No place is closing in on 80%.

The only comparisons of Sweden and the US that I've see are pretty much trivial - looking at one factor or so. And, Sweden isn't doing that well in terms of new cases per capita. If they were, it might be time to see how they do it - testing? natural propensity to be careful?

I'd point out that right now, other European states don't want people who are coming from Sweden though they accept people from other European countries.

So, Europe isn't as thrilled with Sweden as you seem to be!!

 

No, the only way out is with a vaccine.

The shutdowns, followed by very strict social distancing practices being implemented, are just the best way of getting us to the vaccine.

 

I see looters hitting the Dollar Store. WTF! If I was a loiter, I would go get some of that high end Trump bling!