113th Congress H.R. 428

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  1. Jango

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    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hres428/text
    http://www.gpo.gov:80/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113hres428ih/html/BILLS-113hres428ih.htm

    I certainly support this measure. More transparency with 9/11 related materials and the U.S. government in general is a good thing. I keep hoping for President Obama to fully stand by his declaration that his administration is the most transparent in history.

    I anticipate, however, that this motion won't come to fruition. The intelligence community is notorious for hiding information, the chair people of the so-called oversight committees vigorously defend the IC pretty much no matter what they do and President Obama has shown, over time, that his word cannot be taken at face value.

    But, if for some strange reason that all the stars align correctly, and this effort passes, would you welcome it?
     
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    Absolutely. Knowledge is power.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    How do they know that anything on the 28 pages are neccessary for a 'full and public understanding of events and circumstances'?
     
  4. Jango

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    Perhaps they've been read-in? I don't know. What is evident is that information has been withheld from public consumption, and that is true too with the National Archives, F.B.I., etc. More transparency is desired.
     
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    Indeed, especially as the Government feels the need to snoop in on us post 9/11. At the very least, we deserve to know how and what the government did on that day in response to the horrific attacks.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Can't always get what you want...
     
  7. Scott

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    You're basing your opinion on a wrong assumption. The government is the party that planned and carried out the attacks. Haven't you seen the proof?

    "September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mDXHn_byA#t=2720
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IgqJXyLbg
    "Tom Sullivan - Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org"

    http://www.bcrevolution.ca/911_part_iii.htm

    This video does a good job of explaining the government's motives for planning and carrying out the 9/11 attacks.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa1AYlP47cI&list=PL88ADBF347A541776

    Anyone who looks at the above info and still maintains that the government didn't do it should watch this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xzmprkpxac

    If the above link goes dead, do a YouTube search on, "Why Can't They See The Truth? Psychologists Help 9 11 Truth Deniers".
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    That isn't proof scott/cosmored/fatfreddy88/david c,It's OPINION
     
  9. Hannibal

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    I said 'knowledge is power', not 'ignorance is bliss'.
     
  10. Jango

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    Obviously, however, I'm not the only American wanting more transparency out of the self-proclaimed most transparent administration in history.
     
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    I very much doubt the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia had anything to do with it....they had too much to lose..
     
  14. Brother Jonathan

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    Good grief. When will you do your homework? Most of the hijackers were Saudi.
     
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    Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Iran, Israel - they've all ran intelligence operations inside the U.S. at one time or another, or still are to this day in the case of Russia, China and Iran. Hezbollah and al Qaeda run agents into the U.S. to this very day, as does al Shabaab.

    Have you ever heard the expression, "If you have diplomats you have spies,"?
    Everyone does that, including the U.S. Wherever the State Department breaks ground and puts an embassy, there will be spies, predominantly C.I.A.

    And its not like spies from embassies around the world aren't being utilized on a daily basis. They do their function. And they do it at great risk because host countries have a counterintelligence element to their intelligence community.

    And a part of the 9/11 narrative is that once the nineteen hijackers made it safely inside the United States, they avoided all forms of detection by our intelligence community who had honed their skills hunting Soviets during the Cold War.

    The hijackers learned some tradecraft while training in Afghanistan, surely, but undoubtedly, they would have required assistance once they made it inside the U.S., and that's when state-sponsorship comes into effect.

    Whether it was the Pakistani I.S.I. or the Saudis, there was a professional attempt to conceal the hijackers from the might of the U.S. intelligence community.
     
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    I'm all for full transparency.
     
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    Really? Tell us more. Would you like to join the World Public Union?

    They are all about transparency in government.
    The more the merrier! ;-)
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Just because some were saudi,doesn't mean they were sactioned offically by the government.....duh
     
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    I really don't think so...it was more like a 'not seeing the forest for the trees' thing
     
  20. Hannibal

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    No. Cults aren't my cup of tea.
     
  21. Jango

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    What..?
     
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    Not seeing something right in front of them

    The saudis have been making serious coin for year supplying us with oil,allowing our bases on their soil and generally having good business relations with us and most of our allies..the royal family is pragmatic,if anything....it just wouldn't make sense for them to kill the golden goose,so to speak.
     
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    Sure, they've made money off business deals and our presence but that doesn't mean everyone is happy about it. And in the instance of Pakistan, they've had long standing grievances with the U.S.
     
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    Grievances hardly need include piloting jet aircraft into buildings.....just saying.
     
  25. Jango

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    What are you trying to say?
     

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