14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

Well no more like anti semitism. Globalism is Marxism and Carl makes was a raging white supremacists and anti semite

 

And it's so much more satisfying, right?

 

something I’ve noticed around here is that anyone who was the victim of a violent crime to their person are the last ones to complain about those who carry. Lotta people around here who’s entire understanding of what the cops do comes from the career highlights of Bruce Willis.

 

would you prefer to be dead?

 

We do? Eewwwwwwww!

 

Oh, trust me, I understood your point but I don't buy your premise. We have more people in prison than any country and you think we need more in there for longer times.
So, you believe that there should be no work at rehab of criminals. Once a criminal, always a criminal OR your point is that prisons should be illegally inhumane (your beef with the ACLU) so no one would want to go back. Again, do you have anything at all to back up your "plan" because it's been tried....and failed.

 

I didn't admit any such thing. In the time period before Texas guns were just viewed as, "tools". It would probably be true that a very high percentage of rural homes had more than one to protect the farm and get some meat. Urban areas.....not so much. After the NRA went off the deep end (side: saw a bumper sticker today.....NRA Stand and fight!!!!! WTF!! What/Who are you fighting?!) and convinced a large portion of the population that everyone's lives are in danger every minute of everyday gun sales took off because everyone needed "home protection" or to CC for "self protection". Total BS....but it sold a LOT of guns and made the country less safe. That's the difference on how firearms are viewed. It's the guns.

The fact is it's EXACTLY that just as I stated.

 

While true in this case it is most definitely the exception.

 

Recall, your claim:
To get any kind of solution going you HAVE to be able to admit what the problem is.....guns.

Not only did you admit you claim is false, , you detail the effect, below.

Uh huh. And now:

And so...
The guns remained the same, the attitudes about them changed
Thus, it is the attitude towards guns, not the guns, that it the problem.

You proved yourself wrong.
Well done.

 

It does not matter how many times you repeat a post-hoc fallacy, a fallacy it remains.

 

Your argument is devoid of logic. Whatever point you think you made about the people's attitude towards guns has zero to do with the problem. The point I made with the view of them was to prove the reason for the flooding of the market of guns. The fact still remains the tool of the trade is the gun. Guns are the problem. You proved nothing of an substance with your argument of semantics.

 

No, the truth of the matter is your interpretation of the facts are wrong.

 

This graph is so conflicting that I honestly do not understand what it is saying. I suspect that it includes foreign-based political terrorist acts of violence mixed in with self-inflicted domestic mass shootings? Generally speaking, the US is being criticised for its citizens murdering their own countrymen. I do not, for example, regard the attacks on 9/11 as domestic mass murder as I do with all of the school shootings.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

None of which counters the fact that it is considered a charity, so avoid taxes, and lobbies to allow more guns.
All your post did was repeat the post you quoted.

 

Those with a conscience can repeal the amendment.
Unfortunately like everything else in the US your bipartisan politics demand that you have to swallow all or nothing of the team you chose.
In the meantime no one seems to be trying to find a crossparty solution and innocent people still die.

 

So supporters of infinité numbers of guns say that they need them to protect themselves from those who have infinité numbers of guns.
The law has allowed people to assume the rôle of law enforcement much like the days before an organised policing was created.
And instead of seeing the problem, too many want to continue it and not find a solution. I suspect they are obsessed with control issues. And some disassociation with the real process of being shot.
I said before. You have to want to solve your problem. I don't believe you do. I don't believe you want to put the long-term effort into establishing à proper security force which would make your guns redundant. It would be like taking the training wheels off your bike, to put your guns away. Or to move off the side of the poil and trust that the water will hold you up.
Anything else I would say would be a repeat of what I already said. It is your issue. All anyone can do is feel very sorry that not enough Americans want à well organised "militia" (police force) and that your innocent population will die. If you are so insensitive to that, that the price of that justifiés your gun, you will make excuses forever.
And you will always have the crazy conspiracy theorists who think the state is intent on overturning your democracy. That IMO is just another excuse to keep an armory.
I am just pleased that I live in a place which has its rôles of state and citizen sorted. We have problems wirh criminality in certain places but few innocent deaths.
So you carry on. All I can do is shake my head in amazement that the most advanced country in the world can harbour such a primitive heart.

 

Here in America we citizens of America promise to give your valuable opinion all the due consideration it so richly deserves.....

 

No, I prefer not to do the job at all. That's why I try very hard to avoid any kind of violent confrontation whatsoever, and I have succeeded at that very well over the course of a long and not uneventful life. I've never found that at all difficult and I am not alone in that experience

 

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excuse you for barging in on that discussion.

 

read back and see that this is how that discussion started. And Heller isn't the constitution. It's a the opinion of the supreme court judges who were given that job by politicians because of their opinion. If Berny Sanders would get the chance, he would put totally different people on the SC overturning Heller. We all know the SC can turn on a dime like that.

 

You're lucky. You can pretend you're in control of that I just don't.

 

The point was raised that a semi is just a deer rifle needed for hunting. And so I noted that hunting isn't a constitutional right ergo, we can rid of them guns.

And I dunno what you mean with "And if you think this no longer applies then you aren't paying attention to what's happening in Washington."
A semi would put up a good fight against cops. But not the army. They just drone you to death from inside a bunker.

 

I know several policemen who served long careers with distinction and who took pride in never having drawn their guns in the course of duty, I am informed that is not a terribly uncommon experience. Indeed, it is the majority.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cop...&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on

I don't regard it as illusory that I am in enough control of my life that I can avoid confrontations that require a firearm. Perhaps you need to reexamine yours.