18 murders in 24 hours: Inside the most violent day in 60 years in Chicago

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that's what I'm saying.

    Inner city black neighborhoods experience far, far more violent crime than small rural white towns. It would be madness to send unarmed, and unescorted, social workers out into such dangerous environments.

    It might "work" for a little while, right up until the first social worker was shot dead and the lawsuits started flying around.

    That's the whole idea. Social workers INSTEAD OF police. You know, the whole DEFUND THE POLICE thing, which means less police, and more social workers, right?

    If it's just a matter of more social workers, and the same number of police, then we're going to need to increase policing budgets, and not defund or slash them, correct?

    Social workers aren't going to put themselves in harm's way for free, are they?
     
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    Chicago has had 103 homicides this month. They are on course for over 750 this year.
     
  3. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    How many in Alexandria, Kentucky so far? Like maybe eleventy six?
     
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    I doubt it could work, when a person is raised thinking violence is the only way to solve a problem, that's some no social workers can undo.

    I you want less police then they must become first responder's, of course that will get some of them killed but that is part of making foolish decisions such as defunding the police.
     
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    That's par for the course when a city has a bigoted idiot for a mayor.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 2018 the latest year for the data they had zero murders.
     
  7. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    It seems neither of you read or understood the cite provided. They respond to calls that are domestic violence, mental health and substance abuse issues after it has been secured by the first responder and it has resulted in fewer police runs and 15% drop in arrests.
    It wouldn't work with Blacks because they are too violent and are raised thinking violence is the only way to solve a problem? Biased assumptions, to be polite.
     
  8. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Hey, if you want to pretend there's no difference between crime in rural white small towns, and inner city black neighborhoods, fine by me.

    You have fun with that fantasy.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Continued comprehension problems...not what I wrote.
     
  10. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    No, that's exactly what you wrote.

    Are you not implying that it's wrong to assume that inner city blacks behave differently than rural whites?

    Denying that there are differences doesn't make you enlightened and noble, it just makes you wrong.
     
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    Bull, it's based on experience, I have seen it first hand riding patrol, to what when was the last time you rode patrol 4 to midnight in the hood?
     
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    That place sounds like a 3rd world hell hole.
     
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    If your talking about places like Overtown, Liberty City, most anywhere of off Sistrunk, NW Pompano Beach or Harlem Fl, yes they are all third world He** holes.

    The kind of places where crimes are blatantly carried out because the rule of the street is snitches get stitches and drive by shootings are how the street laws are enforced.
    And more often than not the political leaders of such areas are liberal blacks, who totally believe tossing more money at the problem will solve it, while at the same time do everything they can do to drive a wedge between the citizens they where elected to serve and the law enforcement that is needed to keep the place from going into total anarchy, where gangs rule the streets and the law abiding live in fear of their lives.
     
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    Sounds like a Charles Bronson movie. :(

    A proud city laid low by inefficient leadership and failed policies of appeasement. No doubt their response will be more appeasement. Neville Chamberlin tried that too..
     
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    Again comprehension problems, I never pretended "there's no difference between crime in rural white small towns, and inner city black neighborhood". That is not what I wrote, I was questioning you biased assumption, without any evidence, that such a program would be of no benefit.
    Your experience is that Black children are raised thinking violence is the only way to solve a problem? No, that's not a biased assumption at all and we're lucky they have so few problems.
     
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    No, he said it's a town with exactly seventeen police officers. He's saying this is a small town - and I dunno, maybe they're more common in Canada but in a small town you're likely to know everyone else a lot better. Lot less strangers there.

    And isn't it odd that you went straight to race? @Creasy Tvedt never mentioned it in his post - but you went there. Hmm.

    No. But if I read my lefties correctly, they should. One of the important points there is that the police come in first THEN the social worker whereas the left kinda wants to eliminate the police altogether. That whole "Kill the pigs," kinda thing we keep seeing painted on walls in Portland, Seattle, and from BLM and such.
     
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    Correct, that is not a biased assumption, I have seen the problem first hand and I am glad you realize that too many black children are raised in a home where violence is the way to solve problems.

    This is method of raising children is blatantly shown on the street where a black mother or aunt tells a young male child to stop doing something she doesn't like, with the term if you don't stop I will whip your arse, this teaches violence is the only way to control people.
     
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    Maybe the trend will continue, and even more of those who hate every good thing about this country will kill each other off! Now, THAT would be an effort worth supporting!
     
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    I actually have already have provided evidence of just that.
    That's the city where I live, and it "worked" in conjunction with the ghetto hospital where I work. I'm intimately familiar with the failings of the experiment.
    It's not biased, it's just reality. Violence certainly isn't the "only way" black kids are taught to solve a problem, but it'd be foolish to think that violence isn't a reality that's deeply ingrained in inner city black culture.

    The results pretty much speak for themselves. All that violence isn't being made in a vaccuum.
     
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    I went straight to race because that is what the issue was and he agreed. You don't read lefties correctly (more biased assumptions) but I read righties as keeping and doubling down on the failed status quo.
    It was sarcasm.

    55% of Blacks are middle class and above. They are as law abiding as others in their class, so your assumptions are biased. Is it more hate the poor for being poor? Judging an entire race by those that live in poverty tends to exaggerate the bias of someone outside that race. Did corporal punishment make children more violent in past generations?

    You have not given me evidence. You've given your evaluation and judging by past comments, I judge it biased. I'll wait for the official evaluation.
    Violence has an increased incidence in poverty, no matter the culture, but not every culture has free access to guns, legal or illegal.
     
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    So black lives do not really matter to you. Got it.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Be sure to let me know when social workers solve the problem of inner city violence.
     
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    You have no evidence of that and I bet you snickered as you typed.
     
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    They may solve a few....of many.
     
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    Why would I be a person who would hate the poor?

    You are so pathetically incorrect it isn't funny.

    My family was far from wealthy and my mother spent every dime my father earned on junk we didn't need, as such we lived very poorly, I got kicked out of the house when I was 16 and lived on the street or more correctly in the back of my car, I had no way to store food and a lot of times I didn't have any money to buy it, I had three strikes against me, I dropped out of middle school, a lot of people where looking for a job back then and I was only 16 and few business's would hire a 16 year old.

    If it wasn't for the kindness of a guy who ran a appliance store on Broward Blvd, who gave me copper and coils to sell at a scrapyard, I would have starved.

    But I had two things going for me, I learned quickly and I didn't mind working, I really discovered that when the guy who ran the appliance store hired me part time repairing refrigerators and AC units and allowed me to use the bathroom in the shop to wash up once in a while and later sleep in the shop.

    As such I know what being poor is and I don't hate people who are poor, I have no reason too however, excepting the children, I don't feel too sorry for them either, most anyone in this country can make a living if they are willing to work, show up on time and don't steal.

    I am proof of it being possible, I started out totally broke with very little formal education, and I got to the point of being to earn a FCC first class radio telephone License and a State of Florida Electrical Contractors License, I saved as much of my money as possible and four years back I used some of it to a 7.5 acre mini-ranch and put a 4/2 home on it with no debt, so if I can do it and there's nothing special about me, anyone can, it's just a matter of being willing to work, combined with a willingness to learn and an attitude I will never be broke again.

    None the less the conjecture you labeled me with is totally incorrect and you should be ashamed of yourself for pigeon holing a person you know absolutely nothing about.

    I think an apology is in order for your totally false accusation.
     
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