2 cheerleaders were shot in a Texas supermarket parking lot

The headline: 2 cheerleaders were shot in a Texas supermarket parking lot after one opened the door to the wrong vehicle. A suspect is under arrest

The link: 2 Texas cheerleaders were shot in a Texas supermarket parking lot after one opened the door to the wrong vehicle. A suspect is under arrest | CNN

The lede: "Authorities have arrested the man they say shot two teenage cheerleaders after one said she mistook the suspect’s vehicle as her own in a supermarket parking lot near Texas’ capital – at least the third incident this week in which young people who’d made an apparent mistake were met with gunfire."

The comment: Guns in the news.

Again.

Once again our social programs, our laws and our level of law enforcement was unable to avert these shootings.

Deaths from gunshot, based upon data for 2020, occur roughly every 12 minutes in the United States of America.* Roughly 110-120 people will also die from gunshot today in the United States of America.

The level of deaths by gunshot in the United States ranks high against other modern democracies.

Guns in the news.

Again.

A good guy with a gun? A law-abiding gun owner? Law abiding gun owners do not shoot and kill people -- until they do.

Stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

* Ref: Gun deaths in the U.S.: 10 key questions answered | Pew Research Center

 

Terrible!

 

Number three ....

 

Someone opening the door to your vehicle while you're in it puts one at legitimate fear of harm.
Its called a car jacking.
People react quickly in such situations, because it can be life or death otherwise. One should take care to not attempt to enter an occupied vehicle that is not one's own.

 

Hi, Reality.

I'm well aware that there are millions and millions of armed Americans all around me. I'm also aware that some of them may be 'trigger happy' or may, for whatever reason, decide to start killing their fellow Americans. A law abiding gun owner is a person who hasn't shot or killed someone . . . yet.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

As stated: If you yank someone's car door open, its likely you've put them in the legitimate fear of bodily harm. If they react in that moment, they're justified in shooting you.
This is why one should be respectful of other's property and space.

 

So what is the 'expiration date' of the idea that everyone who owns a gun, will eventually shoot someone? My query is based on your ".... yet."

How many years? 10? 20? 30?

The assumption that people who own a gun will at some point shoot someone is pretty sad. Considering how many people own one or more guns, and how many people actually shoot someone else, the statistics are overwhelming that you statement is entirely false.

 

Hi again, Reality.

What you say is, unfortunately, true.

I must admit that I feel sorry for people who go about in fear to the point that they feel they must be armed. It is, to me, a sad way to live.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

 

Hi, Collateral Damage.

As we've seen recently, we can't be sure even when someone's in his 80's. The only way we can be certain is if a law abiding gun owner dies without shooting or killing someone.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

 

You are the one who promotes crime and then complain about shootings.

 

Hi, kreo.

How, pray tell, do I promote crime? I'm not aware of doing so. As a secular humanist, I view crime as a societal problem. I view violent crimes as something to be eliminated.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

Age has nothing to do with it. Perhaps you might do some actual research about how many guns are owned in relation to guns used to kill. I'll give you a starting point: 434 Million guns in the US. 45,250 people died from gun related injuries. Now do the math.

 

2 whole people died?

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-weekend-today-news/13141729/
Chicago shootings: 35 shot, 8 fatally in weekend violence across city, police say

Why is it that everyone fanatic about gun reform or mass shootings, NEVER post headline clips of where most of our gun violence happens?

Here's a formula for you. If at any time you ever want to make a gun violence thread...simply google "chicago shootings" and I guarantee you that you will be hit with a headline of a wave of recent shootings.

But then we don't want to talk about those shootings, do we?

 

Yes you do promote crime buy viewing crime as societal problem. In reality crime is nothing but indulgence of criminal activity and inability to put criminals in jail in timely manner.

 

I actually had a similar incident, (without the shooting), happened to me not too long ago. We were at the park coming back to our vehicle, my wife was driving that day. We came to the parking lot and I open the passenger door on a white SUV. I and the driver were shocked for a moment and then I realized my wife's car was on the other side of this vehicle. I apologize and closed the door. I got into the vehicle next to his and we both had a laugh at my stupidity.

I think accidents happen. I don't blame guns for this incident but I always blame the culture. The problem is our culture has reached the point where many think it is a fair response to shoot someone right away for a simple mistake without evaluating the situation more. Even your statement you are putting the onus on the individual to make sure you do not attempt to enter someone else car. The thing is accidents happen. No one who makes a mistake is thinking I am going to purposely look stupid and go into someone else car. In my entire life that was the only time I ever made that mistake BUT should that mistake cost me my life? Why not put the onus on the people that do the shooting to make sure they are really in harms way. Even the law requires that you have to have a reasonable belief that you are in danger. I have yet to see evidence that any of these 3 recent shootings give the person a reasonable belief they are in imminent danger. I think our problem is for some people in their rush to defend guns they are also rushing to defend the actions of shooters.

 

Lol. Only in America... Must be something they put in the water.

 

If people know that criminals freely walk on the streets, they have to react quickly and shoot whenever they have a slightest feeling of the danger.
And as you know, danger is intentionally created by Democrat party.

e.g.
llinois passed a law that eliminated the use of cash bail starting on January 1, 2023 as part of the SAFE-T Act. Under the law judges could no longer require people to pay money in order to leave jail while they await trial.
https://www.wbez.org/stories/safe-t...me-court/3bbc71c4-d3b1-4c55-80aa-1fc2ff818ffc

 

A similar thing happened to me once - and there was no shooting either.

 

I have answered this question before but from my point of view it is because we do not think those shootings will impact us. When I hear about big inner city shootings I think gangs, drugs or criminal activity and think that does not involve me. I am not a criminal. We brought up our children to be good and not be in a gangs or commit crimes. We feel that would never happen to us. The difference with school shootings, mall shootings, workplace shootings and these three recent shooting because of accidents from the victims is we think that could happen to us. Regardless of what precautions we take, our kids go to school, we visit malls and movie theaters, we make mistakes and go to the wrong house and open the wrong car door. Even if we live the perfect American lifestyle and do everything right these shooting can still happen to us. That is why when these shooting happen they get more coverage because more Americans like me will watch this rather than some random gang shooting in Chicago because we can see it happening to us.

 

That is such a ridiculous statement I won't even bother to engage in a reasonable discussion.

 

There is nothing to discuss, criminals on the streets are presenting a danger for law abiding citizens.
People do not see any other way to protect themselves other then get guns.

 

Yes I'm putting the onus on the individual to open the door to their property not someone else's. I'm putting the onus on the individual to know what they're doing, to exercise ordinary care.

Accidents do happen. People also get murdered or robbed in the grocery store parking lot. Happened to my grandmother in fact. Someone followed her to her car, she got in, and they yanked the door open and yanked her out. Tensions lately in cities especially are out of control with all the random rioting or as the news is calling it 'street takeovers'.
The man isn't required to wait to see if its an accident. The person is required to avoid causing the apprehension of an imminent harmful contact with another by not opening the door to someone else's car unauthorized.

 

Yes, nations have unique laws. I don't visit your shitty little desert island because you have shitty laws. I expect you not to visit my nation if you don't like the laws.

 

If I'm sitting in my car in a parking lot. And if some young women walk up, open the door, see me, look surprised, close the door and walk away chattering surprisal. I would think they mistakenly got the wrong car. Why this guy thought he should get out and shoot them is beyond me. Besides, who shoots at girls who are going away and are no threat whatsoever? That's bizarre.

It's also bizarre that the OP uses instances like this as a segue to blame guns and open fire on our liberty. He just sits around waiting to be triggered, like the guy in the parking lot. Only he does it with his right to free speech. In court, the mans conduct and motivation goes on trial, not the Constitution. If someone bears false witness, we don't put the first amendment on trial. We put the man on trial for misusing it.

There are thousands of regulations on the books regarding firearm liberty. But at some point, the right and responsibility must fall to the individual for the survival of the liberty.

 

Hi, ToughTalk.

The format for this section of this forum is quite specific. Any time a shooting makes the larger news purveyors, including those which occur in Chicago, I'll post. I'm a geographically-neutral poster. If it's in the US, it's post-able by me.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.