2 dead, 5 injured following shooting

Criminals, again. Go figure.

 

Right now it is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not England. At the time of the American War of Independence it was Britain, not England.
Your argument that because Americans own shedloads of guns and refrain from spree killings, and that proves Americans are excellent gun owners is a novel one.
Like all men who own a penis but refrain from rape are excellent men.
There are no God given rights, and ‘freedom’ is there for everybody, what actually exists are constraints, some imposed, some accepted voluntarily.
If you look up the James Somerset case you will realise that powerful Americans declared independence in order to continue owning slaves, yet the slogan ‘no taxation without representation’ gained enough traction in order for the slave owning class to win. Nothing to do with any imagined God.

 

What you call hate is shock at how ambivalent Americans seem to be about spree killings.
I have the right to self defence.
I don’t need a gun in order to have that right.

 

What kind of risk? As children my friends and I were using similar knives to cut saplings and brush to build shelters when camping or backpacking. Or to fashion bows and arrows from willows. No wonder everyone has to have amphetamines nowadays. Such a bleak life we’ve forced upon children.

I’m sure Ritalin is much healthier than letting a kid learn how to use a knife properly.

 

Have you ever been in a position where you had to defend yourself or weaker person from a dangerous predator?

Thanks,

 

No.

 

Well, then, how do you know what you will really need?

My point is that you don't know what you will really need until it is too late to wish you had more.

 

You don't have a right to tell everyone else what they need, or don't need

 

You don't need to be able to freely post online to have freedom of speech, but you do have that right.

1a protects modern forms of speech, 2a protects modern arms.

 

Your reasoning that because some men rape, therefore all men should be castrated is a strange sense of justice. In America, women have guns too. America was born from the self evident truth that there is one God, from whom we all spring. Therein is our equality, as well as our inheritance in God given rights in freedom. They don't come from men. We acknowledge and uphold the truth. We don't make the truth. This dispels the myth of royalty, classes of people, and the presumptuousness of an official Church. This may not be the cause for your own country. But it is for ours.

 

I might need a deep sea diving suit if I fell into the sea.

 

Where have I done this?
I acknowledge that many Americans need guns in order to indulge in spree killings by gun.

 

That isn’t my reasoning though is it?
I responded to your ludicrous position that because all American gun owners don’t indulge in spree killings that makes those gun owners special in some way.
It is hard to have a reasoned debate with somebody who has to play the God card in order to make a reasoned point.
What do you expect next, I see your God card and raise you Aliens?
I thought Jesus said turn the other cheek anyway, so guns are not needed for a Christian as far as I can tell.

 

99% of American gun owners have proven themselves fit. The abusers of the liberty are also obvious. To compare our country to yours and condemn ours is rather silly in considering that you have no gun murders because you have no guns. At the same time, neither have you a people fit for guns as they've never had the opportunity to prove themselves. So you have neither loss nor gain. That may suit you. But don't pretend to occupy any high ground for the cause of judgment when you have nothing to back it up but an imaginary righteousness.

As for Jesus words, he was speaking to a people who had gone into subjection by turning away from him. They needed to learn all over again. Our forefathers listened to the spirit of God who gave us freedom and the means to keep it. Your effort to pigeon hole God is evidentiary of your own willful deceit rather than to show a variance in God or that we have left his side. We have not. It is you who is far away and a stranger to the matter in which you presume to judge and understand. I don't mean to be contentious, but to establish the truth. America is your ally, not your door mat. But if you want perfection, then make yourself perfect.

 

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Your silly responses only confirm that you know little if anything about firearms or realistic self defense situations since you've no experience with either.

If you knew anything about either Americans or their firearms, you would know that millions of Americans participate in the many different shooting sports (1). Competitive shooting can be as informal as a relaxing afternoon shooting with friends, as active as a session of "Cowboy Action Shooting" or as precise as the requirements to be able to compete with America's first rate Olympic Shooting team (2).

I'm afraid that you're doing what many people do and that is to look only at the negative aspect of shooting by talking about indulging killing sprees instead of the accomplishments of Of America's Olympic Shooting team which, by the way, remains undefeated since shooting was introduced as an olympic sport.

Finally, you'll be surprised at the number of women that have taken up competitive shooting(3) where the usual physical strength of men is no advantage.

Finally, a sport in which gender makes no difference.

Finally, I hope that you can look at a gun for what it is. It is not a magical killing machine. It is an inanimate object that is only as good or evil as the person holding it.

That's why we need better mental health care in the US not more gun laws.


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(1)“Different Types of Competition Shooting"
https://schooloftrades.edu/different-types-of-competition-shooting/

EXCERPT “The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) states that 19 million plus Americans safely invest their time in target practice. They use handguns, shotguns and rifles. Some of this is for fun and much of it is for competitive shooting. Practice makes perfect.” CONTINUED


(2). "GUIDE TO OLYMPIC SHOOTING EVENTS AND WHAT TEAM USA IS UP TO"
https://freerangeamerican.us/tokyo-2020-olympic-shooting-events/

EXCERPT "Shooting events don’t get all the glory at the Summer Olympic Games — not the way mainstream sports like swimming, track, and gymnastics do. But if you watched the 2020 games in Tokyo, you know that shooting events are plenty of fun to watch. And the United States always dominates Olympic shooting. The U.S. has earned 116 medals since shooting first entered the modern Olympic games in 1896. China comes in at a distant second place with 67 total medals, 26 of them golds." CONTINUED


(3). "Top 50 Women in Competitive Shooting"
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2017/6/19/top-50-women-in-competitive-shooting/

EXCERPT "From action pistol and bullseye champions, smallbore, high power and precision rifle masters, trapshooters and Olympic gold medalists—SSUSA has compiled this list of 50 (52 to be exact) female athletes that are influencing the ever-changing landscape of competitive shooting—for the better.

Note: This isn’t a ranking, though we purposely grouped the first four women at the front in recognition of the attention generated by their respective shooting careers. Otherwise it’s a random selection, with the goal of presenting female shooters from as many disciplines as possible."CONTINUED

 

OP: "2 dead, 5 injured following shooting".

If every man, woman, and child was slinging a rifle or packing a gun in their pocket it never would have happened. Right?

 

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Freedom is not a gift from any God, it is a state we all exist in equally.
What so called freedom is defined by are restrictions.
If by forefathers you mean George Washington you’re talking about a man who kept people restricted into slavery. Was that how you define freedom?

 

Who pays for the better mental health care?
What outcomes will you assess in order to know things are better? Less spree killings?

 

That is so incongruous- looks like a gang member speaks like an Oxford Don

 

I'm sure that you've read comments here that attempt to compare the US to "developed" or "First world" countries(1).
The people who benefit from a more comprehensive mental health system are the ones who pay for it; in other words, the taxpayers of those "developed" countries.

The reason that many are duped into supporting more ineffective gun control laws is that they are cheap and easy.
No one wants to pay higher taxes and everyone wants something for nothing.

Unfortunately, nothing worthwhile in life is free and that includes the cost to society of caring for those who are unable to care for themselves without posing a threat to themselves or others.

We're going to pay a price for sharing the planet with people who are a danger to themselves or others. It's just a matter of paying that cost either in higher taxes or additional bloodshed.

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I wish that I could say that the results of paying more for more comprehensive mental health care would be immediate and obvious but that is not likely to be the case.

Instead, I would expect to see a gradual but distinct downward trend in our unacceptable homicide and suicide rate.
That's the additional benefit to upgrading our mental health system.
You help reduce domestic violence, suicides, homicides, juvenile crime, unwanted pregnancies and other domestic problems that have nothing to do with gun control.

Passing more gun control laws is certainly cheaper and easier than significantly upgrading our mental health system but, like most things that are cheap and easy, they seldom work.

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(1) "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"
https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only...political thinking,with fewer guns per capita.

EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so."CONTINUED

 

America came into existence based on the concept that there is one God from whom men spring, and of a right ought to be free. As such, it follows in reason that mans rights and equality in those rights come from God. This is what brought about our nation.

As for George Washington and our other founding Fathers, they were born into a world which was immersed in slavery. The burst of conscience which begat our nations liberty happened within this stew. So of course, it took time for our people to catch on to the extent to which this liberty applied. All of life is this way. Change takes time. Lowering or raising the thermometer five degrees doesn't cause an instantaneous change in temperature. It sets a course.

 

The UK has proved the obvious if inconvenient truth: Strict gun and knife control laws encourage more gun and knife attacks.

THE GUARDIAN, Rise in recorded crime is accelerating in England and Wales, Police figures show offences up 14% in a year, with ***knife and gun crime rising even more steeply***, Alan Travis Home affairs editor, Thu 25 Jan 2018. (*** mine)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

 

the sad thing is arguing about crime rates is a diversion. the gun banning left only pretends that gun banning is motivated by a desire to control crime. at best, their motivation is to PRETEND they are doing something about crime without actually cracking down on their allies-violent criminals

 

Post modern politics is often based on make-believe. The cost in blood and treasure has been very high.

"make-believe
[ meyk-bi-leev ]
See synonyms for make-believe on Thesaurus.com

noun
pretense, especially of an innocent or playful kind; playacting; fantasy:the make-believe of children playing.
a pretender; a person who pretends.
adjective
pretended; feigned; imaginary; made-up; unreal:a make-believe world of fantasy."
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/make-believe

 

About half should be enough to keep the peace.