2015 Already Setting Heat Records

But, but, but.... the "science" called AGW and CC is a consensus and we must act now! No time for more data or different, better theories!

 

So global average temperature is not increasing at the rate of about 0.3 degree Celsius (0.54 degree Fahrenheit) per decade that is the average of the climate models relied upon by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Regarding the 17 year slow-down in global temperature increases, the IPCC's Synthesis Report just released in November notes:
The observed reduction in surface warming trend over the period 1998 to 2012 as compared to the period 1951 to 2012, is due in roughly equal measure to a reduced trend in radiative forcing and a cooling contribution from natural internal variability, which includes a possible redistribution of heat within the ocean (medium confidence). The rate of warming of the observed global mean surface temperature over the period from 1998 to 2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over the period from 1951 to 2012. …

For the period from 1998 to 2012, 111 of the 114 available climate-model simulations show a surface warming trend larger than the observations…. The difference between models and observations may also contain contributions from inadequacies in the solar, volcanic, and aerosol forcings used by the models and, in some models, from an overestimate of the response to increasing greenhouse gas and other anthropogenic forcing (the latter dominated by the effects of aerosols).

Shorter: The climate models could be wrong for all sorts of reasons.

Last week, I reported that the satellite data shows that 2014 was the third warmest year in that record. University of Alabama in Huntsville climatologist John Christy noted:


2014 was the third warmest year in the 36-year global satellite temperature record, but by such a small margin (0.01 C) as to be statistically similar to other recent years, according to Dr. John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. “2014 was warm, but not special. The 0.01 C difference between 2014 and 2005, or the 0.02 difference with 2013 are not statistically different from zero. That might not be a very satisfying conclusion, but it is at least accurate.”

The 2014 average temperature anomaly also is in keeping with temperatures since late 2001, when the global average temperature rose to a level that is generally warmer than the 30-year baseline average. The most recent 13 complete calendar years, from 2002 through 2014, have averaged 0.18 C (about 0.33 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than the 30-year baseline average, while the global temperature trend during that span was a warming trend at the rate of +0.05 C per decade — which is also statistically insignificant.

In other words, as hot as 2014 is, there is still no sign of a speed up in the rate of global average temperature increase.

This is a similar conclusion I found reviewing many articles on the subject and which I have posted on other threads here.

 

I am the general public not the company

A little leftism 101

They always redistribute the wealth. First thing they'll alway be pushing to send a substantial amount to their favored vehicle for 1 world socialist govt - the UN. Who then redistributes to 3rd world countries who then need more deadly widgets. Thought the idea was to reduce?

Secondly widget goes up in price so to does associated tax revenues from, goods and services taxes or the likes - paid by the general public into govt pockets.

Then comes the redistribution case on home soil - low income earners must have said widget, they're effected most by increase prices. We demand they get a subsidy to avoid any increase.

So as you said, widget manufacture passes on costs,,,,,,,so who is paying? Yes the general public, well the ones that pay taxes - its the mum and dad TAX PAYER hit again and again. Pure class warfare that would make the Bolsheviks proud,

If you're serious about reducing, then mandate a halt to additional emissions and a gradual reversal. And hammer any country that increases, completely shut trade with them. But some how its celevrated China will increase until 2030, given such limp wristed measures one must ask, how deadly is it really?

 

Every economy redistributes wealth. That's the whole point. Cars are made in Detroit and re-distributed across the world That's not a bad thing.

On this particular point, the idea is to be lucid and understandable. You fail.

The widget goes up in price when the true cost is internalized, but tax revenues don't necessarily. The manufacturer can choose to stop emitting mercury and avoid the tax. Further, like most Republicans, you labor under the false illusion that taxed money vanishes into thin air. It doesn't.

Probably not. There aren't many things in life that are so central to living that the poor get a subsidy to buy them. I can't think of a single one of those that is made with mercury.

Nope, only the widget buyers. The general public was paying before the pigovian tax. Now they're not.

I'm not necessarily against it, but the enforcement mechanism (in the case of fossil carbon) would be many, many times more expensive (and complex) than the pigovian tax. I thought you guys were against big government.

 

No clue what redistribution means eh?

 

Like me, Poor Debater lives up to his moniker!

 

Plenty of time for better theories. But there aren't any!

 

I agree. There aren't any! All of this AGW/CC whining is much ado about nothing.

 

Actually, there are but they don't lead to redistribution of wealth so are not acceptable.

 

Deniers would look less like political cult cranks if they didn't always instantly auto-invoke a kook political conspiracy theory. Denialism is literally now just another conspiracy cult, the same as birtherism or antivaxxism. Deniers have given up even the pretense of caring about the science. And that's probably for the best, given how hilariously they fail at the science.

 

Since the US leads the world in carbon storage and sequestration technology, any flow of wealth from carbon credit markets would be toward the US, not away.

 

The whole concept of carbon credits is wealth redistribution where the larger industrialized nations pay carbon credits.

 

Seriously, where do you get this stuff? Here is the definition of carbon credits from Investopedia:

Since the larger industrialized nations are better able to reduce emissions below quota, they will be awarded the credits which they can then sell to less developed countries producing a net income. If developing countries want to reduce their emissions instead of buying credits, they will likely come to the US for the technology, also producing a net income for our economy.

 

Blood And Gore: Making A Killing On Anti-Carbon Investment Hype

 

Seriously, you think you would find that carbon credits are a wealth redistribution scam in a definition? I see where you get your stuff. I don't need to look up a definition to see what is obvious, but if I did, I did I'd pick one that at least supported my assertions.

 

Preliminary Gistemp for Apr 2015 is +0.75C. That's the second hottest April ever, beaten by the 2010 El Nino year. The Jan - Apr 2015 average is the hottest Jan - Apr average ever, so 2015 is on track to break the 2014 record as the hottest year on record.

Naturally, since that's hard data, it will cause deniers to go into conspiracy meltdown mode. Denialism is literally just a conspiracy cult now, the same as birtherism, trutherism or antivaxxism.

 

Land and ocean temperature records which are not inclusive of the globe. Satellite records do not show the same thing and they cover much more.

 

Imagine that, some years are warmer and some years are cooler... our climate changes... Kill the humans!

 

1wiseguy, why are you demanding to kill the humans? Deniers certainly are a genocidal lot. That's why dogs instinctively recoil when a denier comes near. They can tell.

We know the current warming is not a natural cycle. The stratospheric cooling, decrease in outgoing longwave radiation, and increase in backradiation are not explainable by any natural cycle. The evidence is, however, explained perfectly by AGW theory.

 

Alarmist policies will hurt the poorest the most. Don't you care about the poor?

 

Like all of your chicken little conspiracy theories, that one just gets laughed at now. You've been screaming how the sky is falling for many years, and yet electricity prices haven't risen at all. It's one of your predictions that has failed completely, just like every other one of your predictions.

Back in the real world, the way hurt the poor is to try to build a coal-powered grid across 3rd world countries. Grids are a huge cost to make, a huge cost to maintain, and the first target to go down in any kind of violence.

So, how to get power to the poor? Decentralized green power. Thus deniers fight it, due to their not-so-secret desire to exterminate the poorest.

 

The only reason electricity prices haven't risen is because of fossil fuels. The change from coal to cheaper natural gas. FAIL on your part.

Decentralize green power? The only way green power works is with centralization of force since it is much more expensive than fossil fuels and only survives with subsidies from tax dollars.

 

You and your cult always have some excuse for why your proclamations of doom never come to pass. Trouble is, you can only cry wolf so many times before everyone just stops listening, no matter how elaborate your excuses are concerning why the wolf didn't show up.

Fortunately for the people who your policies would kill, nobody is paying any attention to you any more. Again, it's the wolf-crying thing.

 

Talk about projection. After 40 years of failed gloom and doom projections from the alarmists, you have a lot of nerve.

 

holy crud, did you read what you wrote after calling out chicken little? dude/ dudette, I just have to laugh at you with the number of times you implicate yourself in your posts. It is funny. Reread your doom and gloom and then think to yourself, who am I cr@ppin!!!