23 Baltimore schools have zero students proficient in math, per state test results

ouch....

"Roughly 865K Texas students are behind on math proficiency, TEA says"

https://www.kxan.com/news/education...ents-are-behind-on-math-proficiency-tea-says/

"Nearly 4 out of 10 Texas students failed state math exams in 2021"

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/edu...xas-students-failed-state-math-exams-in-2021/

 

I read the post you referred to. It didn't have any solution, which was what I asked for.

Don't get too upset. Maybe I missed something you said somewhere else.

But, when you mention 2 parents as best, I'm guessing that you aren't considering issues that even HAVE a solution.

 

Post number 85 I gave you solutions you ignored them I'm not going to do it again.

If you can't go back and look it's not worth talking to you about

 

Your only suggestion was to not reward divorce.

But, divorce is not rewarded. In fact, single female heads of household are in the low income brackets - financially struggling.

And, divorce is absolutely NOT the only reason for single parent households.

Besides divorce, we have abandonment, becoming widowed, domestic violence/rape, childbirth by a single person, single-person adoption, etc.

Being widowed comes from accidental death (including 45,000 car deaths per year), disease (like cancer), war, etc.


You just do NOT have a solution related to government preventing single parent families.

 

yeah.

so there's no such thing as alimony or division of property or primary custody of children?

Yeah it is rewarded that's why so many people do it.

I'm not sure that would be any different if they weren't divorced.

true as you first have to be married in order to be divorced.

yeah but predominantly the over whelming reason for children growing up in single households is their parents were either never married or they divorced.

I would like to focus on solutions that can actually solve something rather than addressing every single arbitrary topic you can think of.

I view that is dishonest just so you know.

well again I'm not a leftist and I don't believe the government is the magical solution for every problem that ever lived. It's actually that belief that got us into this mess.

I'm asking government to step out. Is this shouldn't be involved in people's interpersonal relationships.

Again I understand that this goes against everything leftists believe and you have to disagree with it because you're in that religion.

You can cry me a river about this observation but it's my observation regardless of how hurt your feelings get.

 

Using law to force women into untenable situations is NOT A SOLUTION.

When either the man or the woman is trapped like that, it does NOT lead to the kind of households that match anybody's definition of "best".

So, propose a solution that actually solves something. I'm not objecting to that.

 

You just can't not make a strawman can you?

When I specifically tell you that that's not what I'm saying. And you just go on and fabricate the straw man anyway.

Again I'm proposing that the government not NOT do what it's been doing.

You're either 100% bad face or you are locked into this leftist idea that just because you think your government does a mommy that everyone else must think that

who said anything about trapped?

Why does the government then have to step in and reward the mother of the child for leaving?

What's the point? If I say anything you'll make up some straw man to attack on completely ignore the actual things I said.

You are 100% bad faith. So as far as I'm concerned the discussion is over because you are too belligerent.

But that's the usual with you I mean you're 100% like that all the time.

 

Your proposal was to make it untenable for a divorce to happen by using laws on divorce.

Yes. I said that is simply trapping people who do not want to be married.

No. That is NOT what makes families successful. Families are successful when it is a loving, cooperative endeavor, NOT when government policy is used to allow no way out of failed marriages.

There is NOTHING "best" about a failed marriage, especially when it includes children.

 

false my proposal was what I typed not your straw man it's never your straw man

how is it this explain?

I'm talking about removing government policy.

This is the fourth time I've corrected your mistake on this or you just going to sit and blindly insist on it some more?

When the government rewards them for failing that is a problem.

 

The issue isn't really the educational system. People used to learn Latin and Greek and Calculus in primitive schooling systems. The real problem, and no one else here has said this so I'm likely the only one, is crappy students.

You can teach a highly motivated child in your living room or in a sub par school system. Uninterested, unmotivated students are not going to learn in the priciest school district with the latest laptops and software and the most motivated teachers.

So that's why Baltimore schools were crappy 20 years ago and they'll be crappy 20 years from now.

 

Step one: break the teachers unions.

Step two: introduce meaningful school choice.

Step three: expand standardized testing.

Step four: invest more in public education across the board, and especially in vocational training.

Step five: find a different way to to address special needs students. The way SPED programs are structured today is dragging down the quality of education for a average and top-level students.

Step six: narrow the focus concentrate more to core subjects of reading, language, and math, especially in the early years. More exotic subjects can come later once the foundation is laid.

Step seven: set up a network or low cost community colleges with tuition that can be paid with an amount of money that could be earned with a typical summer job.

Step eight: Cut any federal aid (directly or indirectly through tuition subsidies) to colleges with tuitions that exceed $40k per year. Index this for inflation over time.

Step nine: Cut any federal tuition aid for anyone pursuing a a degree that ends the word “Studies.” (Only half kidding here.)

 

Right, it must then be in the water, or you just made a really, really stupid post.

 

As I said, I'm probably the only one who thinks this, so I didn't really expect any agreement. I take it that you think the students are motivated and eager to learn, but something else is preventing it?

 

You are talking about having the government put additional economic pressure on those who no longer love and support each other.

You keep trying to deny that. But, that is precisely what YOU keep stating.

 

Yeah, but I'm sure all the liberal teachers have indoctrinated these students to believe their problems and future problems are thr fault of slavery.

 

It is the job of the educator, be that a parent initially, then the professionals not only to teach but also to motivate and instill curiosity and desire to know, in a child.

 

So you are blaming the teachers?

 

No I'm not I've corrected your mistake now give times.

How many more times are you going to try and convince me I'm saying something I know I'm not saying?

 

WOW! Great post, great points!!

 

LOL

 

Actually, extrapolation is a mathematical concept that is pretty reliable.

The claim " half the population" supported MAGA principals is based on a sample size of about 150 million people's votes. A massive sampling from a statistical perspective.

Through extrapolation of such a large cross section, the claim that helf the country supported Trump over Biden is pretty sound data.

Many stats provided that are heavily relied on by the left here utilize a sample size of a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

You didn't happen to be a graduate of Baltimore Schools are you?

 

I agree with some of those.

Teacher's unions are essentially powerless. They can't even cause reasonable salary and working conditions.

School choice is all too often a method of racism and of benefitting those with money. Neither have anything at all to do with improving education.

There isn't some line with "special needs". That is a spectrum that includes every dimension of being humans. Plus, it is part of education to understand and work together with those who have various kinds of special needs.

I strongly agree with your comment on community colleges. Every American needs to be continuing their education. Maybe not full time. Maybe not all the time. But, our economy, our jobs, the requirements for advancement, etc., all depend on education - whether you want to call something "vocational" or not. We see what happens when auto manufacturing leaves town or when we stop burning coal or when manufacturing gets automated or when other change takes place. If people haven't been looking forward in all seriousness, they can get into serious trouble, needing support for longer than we want and not contributing the way that they could. Everybody needs a Plan B that they know about and are working on to some degree.

Cutting funding to education damages education.

I don't understand how your ideas fit together, because you point out how education is important and then you point out that we should gut education.

You can't have it both ways.

 

Thus the use of government vouchers so all have equal opportunity regardless of income.

 

Thinking that you can sit back and assume that students will come to you with motivation is just plain silly. Kids don't necessarily come that way.

School has to be a place that develops interest and (hopefully) excitement in learning. That is an integral part of the job.

If kids aren't interested in what they are getting at school, teaching becomes far more difficult to impossible.

 

You and I will disagree strongly on the impact of teachers unions and the efficacy of school choice. I’ve seem to much of both up close to agree with you.