25 years ago...'The Highway Of Death'

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  1. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    USAF pilots are one of the elites of military history. In high school I worked at an air force museum, restoring aircraft. The C-130 was in the news, movies, and video games growing up, I spent plenty of time in one there pretending I was the pilot.

    I looked up he C-130H variant just now, and found this...
    What is the reason for requiring a certain amount of fuel for heavy cargo? Is it a weight distribution thing?

    One of these days I'd like to get my pilots license. Thinking of getting my glider license first as its cheaper and I hear a good intro to flying.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know we expected a chemical attack. Did the Iraqi's ever end up doing it?
     
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    I was based in the desert city of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The village of Eskan to be precise. There were numerous air raid warnings with the command to go MOPP Level 4. The primary concern were Iraqi Scud missile attacks with chemical weapons...nerve agents.
     
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    Not at the beginning.

    But it did happen.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Elites? That's a misconception brought upon by Hollywood films. Flying airlift anyway, involved long periods of boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror. We wore the wrinkled and mustard stained flight suits to counter the zipper-suited Sun Gods in the high speed, high flying fighter world
    Elite? meh..not so much. Lucky perhaps, I'll give you that.

    Basically to keep enough fuel in the wings to maintain structural integrity and avoid stresses from a heavy center-line load that would cause a high degree of bending in a light wing without fuel.

    General aviation is so darned expensive it keeps many away from pursuing it as a hobby.Gliders is certainly a more affordable way to earn your wings and soar with the birds. Good luck to you, keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down.
     
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    It is true that destroying the enemy can be an adrenaline rush, especially in something like a fighter or attack aircraft. But lets not paint the picture that it's "fun" to drop ordinance on people in the literal sense of the word. Flyboys as well as all other members of the military do get pumped up when they are finally able to do their jobs. It's a good feeling to know that you are contributing greatly to the war effort and are destroying the enemy and saving American lives.

    I remember one time my old Colonel gave a speech to us all in a large open field with a bullhorn. The type of hyped up speech that sends shivers down your spine like the speech from Independence Day before they launched the huge air attack. Standing in formation in the field were thousands of troops who erupted into cheers and chest thumping and loud "HOOAH's!!!!" They changed our orders, we were no longer going to a more secure safe zone further north in Afghanistan. We were being redirected to the very heart of the Taliban resistance in the south. Causalities will be much higher, we knew that, but we didn't care, we didn't want to play around in a safe zone, we wanted to fight, that is our job, that is what we train for. This was during the troop surge and the speech basically boiled down to "We aren't playing games anymore, we're coming for you".

    It ended with about 1000 of the Infantry boys doing the Spartan chest thump grunt thing from the movie 300 on the end of the formation lol. That Full Bird was one hell of a speaker, he knew how to get you fired up and he did it well. Those are the times where I wish the US did "propaganda videos" to scare people the way our enemies do. That was one hell of a scene to say the least.

    But anyway, it's not so much that it's "fun" to shoot and bomb people. It's just the knowledge that you are fighting and helping to end the war. Knowing that for each bomb you drop or Hellfire missile you fire that's one less enemy combatant that can harm your boys on the ground. Ground pounders love attack pilots, they are the guardian angels in the sky who can attack and defeat the enemy from the air of at least soften them up so that the boys on the ground don't have as many casualties.

    Those Marine flyboys knew that for every bomb they dropped that was one less vehicle or enemy combatant that could engage their fellow troops on the ground. That is a great feeling. They knew the enemy was trapped, they knew they could eliminate many enemy fighters and wanted to keep on loading back up. It's not "fun" in the sense of playing a video game or something but it's just good to know that you are defeating the enemy who has the potential to cause harm to your fellow troops fighting on the ground.
     
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    Where did I say it was unjust? l DID say that Iraq's invasion wasn't completely unprovoked. And I do recall our ambassador to Iraq (a woman, can't remember her name) saying she had been told by the administration to give Saddam the green light. And, of course, the Arab League wasn't at all pleased that Saddam was dumping oil onto the world market. Like I said, we'll never know the truth. It's on lockdown and will be buried with Dick Shiny.
     
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    I'm a lib and you're a butt-head, but I appreciate your service as well.

    Btw, I ran into a Herk pilot at BevMo 2 week ago. He was still in flight garb but his cart was full of wine. I told him "remember, that's 8 hrs bottle to throttle." He said "Nah, that's FAA, we're 12 hrs." We went on for a little bit but in the end I told him that with that much wine he better allow himself 15 hrs.
     
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    If you're still intoxicated even after stopping consumption 12 hours before assuming aircraft control, the Air Force rules cover that.

    "to include the effects or after effects"

    Basically don't fly if you have a hang over.

    A little known rule is not being able to fly for 3 days (72 hours) after donating blood.
     
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    April Glaspie..........
     
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    If by paid for you mean "thrown into the deficit, doubling the national debt", then sure.
     
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    Are you referring to Obama doubling the national debt with out nothing to show for it ???
     
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    No, I'm referring to Reagan doubling the national debt.
     
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    It cost a whole lot of money to repair the damages that libs inflict on America. It's been like that since 1980.

    Like I said, at least Reagan was able to show something the spending went for, Obama can't.
     
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    Obama can't sums up his presidency.
     
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    He's trying.

    What will be Obama's legacy ?

    ISIS, that Al Qaeda was decimated, the Middle East is a complete basket case under the Obama administration, buggery in the military, drag queens on Air Force bases, $20 trillion dollar national debts by the time Obama is removed from public housing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
     
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    Don't forget a divided America.

    Expect no less from a community agitator.
     
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    Even tho I never came close to an incident with a hangover, flying with one just ain't fun.
     
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    You're a licensed pilot?
     
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    Used to have to fly around the state for my job. The heaviest thing I ever checked out in was a Beech Duchess. Don't know the status of my license but I haven't flown in years. I suppose I could get current again but I don't have that job anymore.
     
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    Your PPL never expires but you wil need to get medically certified and a flight review consisting of at least 1 hour of ground and flight training. So the first step is to call an AME and schedule an appointmnt to get an FAA medical certificate. You'll be looking to get a 3rd class medical. Once you have complied witht the medical requirement, schedule a BFR with your local CFI. A biennial flight review in other words will be needed.
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    Lot more to the 1900 than the Duchess I flew around which, if I recall, was only 120hp/side. Still, it was variable pitch and retractable. We used to do a lot of work for the Forest Service, BLM, Federal Land Exchange (FLEX), etc. and it was ideal. My boss at the time owned it so he wanted us to get the hours and charge them to the job. Nice!

    I probably can't justify the expense of getting back into flying again with Google Earth around, but it was fun as hell. Not that it has anything to do with my interest, but my hometown is Oshkosh and my father used to take me out to Wittman as a kid just to wander around the planes.
     
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    I was a freighter in the 1900, hauling 5,000 to 6,000 lbs. on short hops. Cargo doesn't talk back. If I went back to commercial flying< I'd like to get a float plane. What with global warming, I figure the ability to land on water will have decided advantages.

    Your Duchess had CRP as I recall...similar to the P-38. You don't have to compensate for P-Factor and the tendency for yawing left.
     
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    Solid reference!

    Water World.
     

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