5 Iran tankers sailing to Venezuela amid US pressure tactics

Discussion in 'United States' started by Iranian Monitor, May 17, 2020.

  1. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    6,490
    Likes Received:
    1,637
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The US government and media outlets have been running some stories the past couple of weeks on the Venezuelan government using its gold reserves to pay for some technical and material support provided by Iran to Venezuela to help it offset fuel shortages caused by US sanctions. There have been some other reports suggesting that the US is 'weighing' options on how to respond to Iranian supply of fuel to Venezuela, given the US sanctions and efforts against both countries. With worries that the US might seek to interfere with the free flow of navigation and trade, and possibly engaging in some attempt at piracy or worse, Iran has been issuing its own warnings in response. This could all lead to another confrontation between Iran and the United States.
    https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ailing-to-venezuela-amid-us-pressure-tactics/
    5 Iran tankers sailing to Venezuela amid US pressure tactics

     
  2. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    sinkem, iran will just give the money to terrorists in iraq , syria. lebenon and Israel
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2020
    MGB ROADSTER and ArchStanton like this.
  3. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    6,490
    Likes Received:
    1,637
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I know you have been itching for something that would start a war between Iran and the US. That could do it!
     
  4. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    no I'm itching for the Iranian government to become a productive member of the international community, take care of their own people, by providing opportunity for them to grow and be successful.

    as long as they are supporting terrorism, screwem. I absolutely do not want war with anyone, least of all Iran. but I am not into appeasement at all it's proven to make things worse. Iran should start doing what is right, then we can start talking, but it's Iran's choice. I feel bad for the Iranian people...
     
    ArchStanton and Brexx like this.
  5. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    6,490
    Likes Received:
    1,637
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Despite everything the US has done to prevent Iran from doing the things you claim you want for Iran, the country is actually doing fine. Much better than you imagine or the propaganda you are fed.

    In any case, Iran has been doing right and it is the US that wants to do wrong. Iran shipping fuel to Venezuela is no more 'wrong' than the US shipping fuel to some country which Iran prefers would have a different government.

    Until you, people like you, and everyone else who think like you, continue with your imagination that Iran is a country that the US can bully, and is one that will respond to such bullying in any way other than to stand up for its rights, the story between Iran and the US will continue to be the same as before the past few decades. And that story, ultimately, isn't really in America's interests. With the US wasting so much of its energy and resources trying to undo Iran, it is allowing (sometimes intentionally) for those which have greater ambitions than Iran (whose ambitions are confined to being genuinely independent and to playing its role in its immediate neighborhood) to move ahead of the US in many fields and ways than you realize.

    The US is by no means the power it once was, regardless of its over-bloated military. There was a time when much of the world's industrial production, technological innovation, as well as a lot of the world's better ideas, came from America. Now days, the only thing the US is doing is printing money/issuing IOUs, to prop up an economy that is not even helping its own people. This Covid-19 pandemic should have been a wake up call for Americans, but instead I see it has become another excuse to engage in propaganda and scapegoating.
     
  6. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    6,490
    Likes Received:
    1,637
    Trophy Points:
    113
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/17/world/middleeast/17virus-iran-venezuela-us-oil-tankers.html
    Iran Summons Ambassador Over Possible U.S. Threat to Venezuela Shipment
    Iran summoned the Swiss ambassador, who represents U.S. interests in the Islamic Republic, over possible measures America could take against an Iranian fuel shipment to Venezuela.

     
  7. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Ohh we could bully Iran if we wanted to.. we don't want to, but we also cannot let you sell oul and give arms to Hezbollah or some other such group.
     
  8. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2019
    Messages:
    10,291
    Likes Received:
    13,163
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    One of the most oil-rich countries on the planet has to buy their fuel from other countries.

    Hooray for socialism.
     
  9. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    6,490
    Likes Received:
    1,637
    Trophy Points:
    113
    While socialism as an economic system, and its pros and cons, can be legitimately debated, the idea that the US (the world's preeminent political, economic, and military power) can go around enforcing sanctions and measures against this or that country, intentionally trying to ruin their economy and more, for it to then claim the results to be a reflection on 'socialism' or any other economic system, doesn't seem to be a very honest or sincere exercise.
     
    fiddlerdave and Ethereal like this.
  10. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,157
    Likes Received:
    14,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm all for international trade. It is authoritarianism I hate so with the governments of both countries a future failure.
     
  11. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    6,490
    Likes Received:
    1,637
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If Iran was left alone, and not subject to the myriad of measures, sanctions, and everything else it is under, it would become a major success story in every way. Despite all its warts and faults, some of which you aren't aware of and others you merely imagine. But that is actually why Iran isn't left alone and is the subject of the measures against. Not a fear that it would be a 'failure', but its reverse.
     
    fiddlerdave likes this.
  12. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2019
    Messages:
    10,291
    Likes Received:
    13,163
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It was the nationalization(read: socialism) of Venezuela's oil industry, and governmental incompetence(read: socialism) that killed said oil industry, not sanctions.
    But Maduro thanks you for your efforts to shift the blame for his own incompetence, and socialism's failures, onto the evil imperialistic yanquis.

    May Maduro reign for 1000 years.
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2020
    HurricaneDitka likes this.
  13. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,157
    Likes Received:
    14,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You have an opinion I do not share. People require freedom to be successful. Iranians would certainly do better if they had more of it.
     
    zer0lis likes this.
  14. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2019
    Messages:
    10,291
    Likes Received:
    13,163
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I agree. If Iran was left alone, they'd become a major success at achieving their goals of remaining the world's #1 sponsor of terrorism, building nuclear weapons, and bringing about a worldwide caliphate. A wonderful combination of aspirations.

    What civilized human wouldn't want to see those wonderful plans come to great success?
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2020
    HurricaneDitka likes this.
  15. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Socialism has no merits to debate...

    You say America can't go around imposing sanctions.. Well, iran can't go around arming terrorists.
     
  16. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,596
    Likes Received:
    11,692
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do you say screwem to all governments that support terrorists, or only those that pissed off the US government?
     
    fiddlerdave likes this.
  17. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Unrepentant of attacks against my countrymen?? Yeah. I couldn't care less about your shithole "country"

    Yes i still remember them taking our hostages. We shoulda put down that islamic revolution like a rabid dog.
     
  18. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,596
    Likes Received:
    11,692
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, selective amnesia, so nice.

    What you don't remember is our overthrowing their legit government, rather like we're trying to do in Venezuela and have done around the globe for decades. Selective amnesia like yours is just what they want, so you're a very good boy.

    When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
    fiddlerdave likes this.
  19. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Umm Iran didn't have a legit government. They had a bunch of thieves stealing from oil companies .
     
  20. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,596
    Likes Received:
    11,692
    Trophy Points:
    113
    THREE stars for you! Keep that up and you will be a candidate for the National Medal of Honor.
     
    fiddlerdave likes this.
  21. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Read Iranian history.. their "revolutions " have always been about stealing the investments of their employers..

    Simple communism. Kill the rich people and take what's theirs..
     
    Texas Republican likes this.
  22. Moonglow

    Moonglow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2013
    Messages:
    20,754
    Likes Received:
    8,045
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What terrorist do we send money to, besides Israel..
     
    fiddlerdave and Eleuthera like this.
  23. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,596
    Likes Received:
    11,692
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ISIS and a bunch others. Our government is far and away the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

    The prognostications of Fauci terrorized pretty much the entire country.
     
    fiddlerdave likes this.
  24. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Israel isn't terrorists . To answer your question? Just about every arab state.

    Socialism is economic terrorism so there's that too.
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2020
  25. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    6,490
    Likes Received:
    1,637
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You use whatever labels you like, and hurl whatever misconceived notions you have about it, but I suggest you actually learn something about IRAN first. Iran is a shia Muslim country, meaning a country that belongs to a faith that disputed the legitimacy of the "Islamic caliphate" even when it did exist back many centuries ago! The Shia are a minority within Islam and have no such pretensions even when it comes to the Islamic world, much less the rest of the globe. Iran is, as it has been throughout its long history, quite concerned about any encroachment by foreign powers within its own sphere and region. That sphere and region is much smaller than you imagine. Large enough for Iran to preserve its independence and security, but in reality, no danger to anyone except those who are on the march to expanding their own empire in places they don't belong.
     
    Ethereal and ronv like this.

Share This Page