57% of Democrats View Socialism Positively

So your position is that since, in your view, Obama did bad things, it excuses what Trump and Republicans are doing?

You can't give me a "yes" or a "no", can you.

 

-because his accomplishments were almost entirely negative and damaging to us all.

 

No, I really don't need that at all. Given you offer no proof, more from you easily discounted.

 

Political charges as opposed to legal charges. True the legal charges have not been made I doubt they will be made. And Cohen says he did wrong, but that is different than he proving Trump did wrong.

 

The people I talk to about this claim Trump has greatly helped them. Maybe you wanted him to punish us like Obama did.

 

Hell no, if the republicans shove down our gullets such a law as Dodd Frank, I will jump them like a wanton woman.

Thank god Trump is applying relief.

 

The OP, seemingly no longer the threads topic, claimed that 57% of democrats view socialism positively. I remain curious as to how the other 43% of democrats viewed it. Anyone seen an answer to that question?

 

What is your view of Trump neglecting Puerto Rico's calls for help after the hurricane killed over 2,900 people? How about his comments that if the GOP loses control of congress the "liberals" will get violent because "they're violent people"? What about his praise for Kim and giving Kim a world stage and then coming away from the meeting with nothing after giving so much to Kim? GREAT negotiator. And what about separating kids from their parents and still there are over 500 small children not united with their parents and probably will NEVER be reunited. Can you say that isn't pure evil?

 

Plenty of things I like in socialism, plenty of things I like in capitalism, hence why I advocate for a mix of both. I wouldn't like to live in neither system in their "pure" form.

 

That is such horseshit.

Senate leadership combined a $675 billion defense appropriations bill with a bill to fund the Departments of Labor, Education, and Health and Human Services, known as a “minibus.”

The $179.3 billion Labor-Education-HHS components of the package include a $541 million increase for the Department of Education, a $2.3 billion increase for HHS, and an increase in the National Institutes of Health’s record funding to $39.1 billion. These spending levels blow past the requests President Donald Trump made in his budget. The bill also fully funds the Office of Refugee Resettlement’s unaccompanied alien child refugee program without making needed reforms to confirm that those seeking asylum in the U.S. are suffering from legitimate forms of persecution, in addition to continuing funding for Title X “family planning” programs, which give taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood, the nation’s number one abortion provider.

Republicans worked with Democrats to increase government spending for both military and domestic programs. The Senate irresponsibly increased funding for the Department of Education, Obamacare, welfare programs, and abortion providers.

The Senate passed this minibus appropriations bill on August 23, 2018 at 5:15 p.m. in a roll call vote of 85 – 7.

Only 6 Republicans and Bernie Sanders stood up against this increased spending:

Crapo (R-ID)
Flake (R-AZ)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Sanders (I-VT)
Toomey (R-PA)

Not a SINGLE Democrat voted NO!

https://www.conservativereview.com/...ng-monstrosity-that-funds-planned-parenthood/

 

It's down from a brief peak, up nicely from the overall trend.

You use a brief peak and I use the median and I'm the "spinner"?

That I think were incorrect? They expected the 2nd reading of US GDP to be revised down and it was revised up. There is no thinking about it, they were wrong again.

We'll be on it solidly by the end of the quarter if the BC Consensus is accurate.

 

Thank you for asking for my view. Normally you tell me my view and tell me my sources. But my sources are not FOX as usual. Sure a few times I find something originated by FOX but that is no sin.

I do not accept that Trump neglected Puerto Rico no more than i believe Obama got billed by Trump for a secret vacation fund to be used by Obama for many more years. That story on Obama is just as bogus.

Why the confidence? I know how FEMA works. I think you may also know. Hurricanes are one of natures most powerful forces. Some due to the extreme winds and much more due to the huge sizes of the storms. Puerto Rico is so poor that it's infrastructure was a mess. Should we thank Obama for the mess? I bet you don't want Obama to get any blame. So try applying that to Trump.

We have had millions line up delivering speeches calling for the end of Trump. Some claim they want him murdered. I have yet to see republicans collect in gangs and wreak havoc.

I do not feel bad over Kim. Reason why is when you negotiate a solution, as should have Outlaw Abe Lincoln in his day, you have to act more like the lad asking the lady for a dance than a man in court divorcing her. Trump butters up kim but that does not really put money into the bank for Kim, so to speak.

Obama separated families too. This is called government. Trump has not changed how the system works. Due to laws on the books.

Did you believe Obama the enormous kicker out of illegals was evil? I say both he and Trump followed law as to the illegals. Recall who built the holding cells. I don't think Trump got money for holding cells.

 

Mccain also did not vote no. Frankly the republicans can only fool me and you for so long. If they plan to act like Democrats and we can't find out why and what they plan to do to knock this off, we have other options. I think the T party will raise plenty of hell.

 

Obama has nothing to do with this. You say the story about Trump neglecting Puerto Rico is bogus. Right? How would you describe it then?

Obama has nothing to do with this. Apparently you're unable to discuss Trump without trying to hide behind Obama. The question is about Trump doing NOTHING about it with a result of people living without electric power for many, many months in the aftermath of a storm that killed over 2,900 people. I guess that is no big deal to you. Is that right?

This has nothing to do with your deflections. Please address the subject.

You don't know that Trump committed to cessation of military drills with South Korea? Trump committed to establishing diplomatic ties between the US and North Korea and building a “lasting and stable peace regime” on the Korean peninsula. Kim said he would "work toward" denuclearization. Sure he will.

Don't you know about this either?

Obama did NOT separate families. And even on this horrible, inexcusable, evil, subhuman behavior you want to pretend Tumps is fine and it's no big deal. Shocking.

This isn't about Obama but I have no idea what you're trying to so clumsily say.

Did you ever hear of Trump's "Zero Tolerance Policy"? Obama and Trump did not do the same thing. Obama was not a great president but he wasn't evil.

So you find nothing wrong with anything I listed? That's how it sounds. And that tells us which side of this possesses normal human compassion and rational judgement, and who doesn't.

 

Obama sealed Puerto Rico's fate in June 2016 when he passed the bill PROMESA or Puerto Rico Oversight, Management, and Economic Stability Act. This placed an unelected (7 member) board in charge. The supposed justification was to give the island some way to get through bankruptcy. In reality it has set the island up for a decade of mass unemployment and crisis.

Once IRMA hit, it just made Puerto Rico's problems that much bigger, literally throwing another huge log on a fire that was burning wildly out of control.

Unless the United States or some other country bails Puerto Rico out of all of their debt, they will never recover.

 

I just came across this on Venezuela. Eva Maria is a Venezuelan-born teacher at the university near me. She has been writing for 5 years about the events in Venezuela, so she's a much better source of information than me or anyone else on this forum. Take a look:
Why Twenty-First -Century Socialism Failed

 

I think one of the things that saves money for people on Medicare is the ability for the government to negotiate prescription drug prices. There's really no reason why our drug prices are so high, except no one bothers to negotiate them down. The formulary for most medications is less than $4, yet we pay so much more. If the government bargained down the prescription drug prices for all citizens, not just the elderly, everyone would save money. It wouldn't cost the elderly more either.

When you require everyone to have a smoke detector, the likelihood of a fire fighter losing their life trying to get people out of burning buildings goes way down. So does what it costs to insure them. Every little bit counts.

 

When you remove the profit motive from insurance companies, we're a long ways down the road to saving money on health care costs.

I don't know of any state where taxpayers are willing to foot the bill without limits.

The truth about the United States is that we are not red or blue states, but all states are a shade of purple. It's very likely there are liberals and conservatives living in your neighborhood. What we need to do is stop focusing on having a majority to push things down everyone else's throat, and instead, have our legislatures actually talk to each other and work out differences in crafting laws, so that everyone's concerns are addressed.

IMO, we're nowhere near a Constitutional convention. The Senate did away with the filibuster to get a Supreme Court justice through. That was huge, and may come back to bite them. We have things the American public want by huge margins, and can't get through Congress. I just don't see it happening, at least not in my lifetime.

 

Thank you for the link. I like sources that have some first hand knowledge or experience.

I disagree with a few points she made specifically that "capitalists" were stealinga and gouging when she knows full well that just as in China party members are the first in line when it comes to graft and corruption. But a good read still.

 

As long as the House and Senate are Republican controlled, I don't see anything happening to Trump. Even if the House and Senate flip blue in 2018, there still won't be 60 votes in the Senate to remove (assuming the House votes to impeach.) There are not enough Senate seats open to get 60 Democratic seats/ votes, and I don't see Republicans crossing the aisle to vote with Democrats, against a Republican president. Things aren't like they were back when Nixon was convinced to resign by other Republicans…. unless Mueller has direct and hard evidence of a Trump committing a felony, and even then, I'm not convinced there would be 60 votes to remove.

We'll be in a Constitutional crisis, at that point.

 

Very little of what you posted had anything to do with the part of my post that you quoted. The tax cut bill removed pre-existing conditions from the ACA. Trump himself even said he gutted Obamacare.

 

We'll see. We haven't paid for the tax cut yet.

 

No. But GDP has nearly doubled, and the growth of the Federal Debt has slowed by a fifth. And we have more disposable income. The government can always spend less, or better yet, sell assets, especially those with annual upkeep costs.

 

Bullshit.
All the GOP tax bill did was reduces the fine for the uninsured to zero. They did nothing to pre-existing conditions.

 

Then he died and was replaced by an idiot that only cares about lining his own pockets.