6 Americans, 4 of Them Vaccinated, Test Positive for COVID After Royal Caribbean Cruise

People that chose not to get the vaccine. Why do you have a problem with that?

Also let's remember that very few children will suffer extremely serious symptoms from this disease. It's very rare in the younger population.


Your argument here basically seems to boil down to "we should force vaccinations on individual people for their own good", because you know what is better for them.

 

This is another topic. See my posts in other threads please.

 

It's reasonable to expect me to read all your other posts in this same thread, but it's not reasonable to expect me to read your other posts in another thread.

You are right, it is getting on a different topic.

 

the problem is they need to get infected with each type of variant, the vaccine targets the spikes, which means it works against the variants as well

 

I thought it was claimed by your side that the vaccine is much less effective against the variants?

Sounds to me like the heard immunity protection might not be so different from the vaccine protection.

 

nope

this is a good video as it tells about how the vaccine targets the spikes.... what the virus uses as keys to get into the cells

starts about 4:30



natural immunity targets the virus as a whole, the vaccine targets the spikes, which is why variants are covered better too with the vaccine

this is why the cdc still recommends the vaccine to those that have caught covid already

 

Well, it's difficult to argue with your side when there are different people claiming contradictory things, and trying to use those things as the basis to their arguments.

If the vaccine protects against all the variants, then heard immunity is still a good idea, because anyone who wants to take the vaccine should have nothing to worry about.

 

the problem is some have compromised immune systems, even a trained immune system can lose the battle

not to mention the unvaccinated are taxing the medical system

I do not think this virus will go away anytime soon, but if enough people got vaccinated, it could

 

I am aware that the number of breakthrough cases are becoming legion. My comment was specifically about the people on the cruise ship testing positive.

 

Yes. That is common knowledge, but apparently you didn't know that

 

The vaccine has been extremely effective against the Delta variant in the UK

 

About 30%

 

Apparentely not the Biden Administration either.

 

We all should have learned by now that neither the masks, or the vaccine, or the lockdowns fully protect us from the virus and its variants. Yet, the left is obsessed with taking us further down that path anyhow.

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. You need to pay attention to what's going on.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

 

What percent of the millions who are unvaccinated are actually dying from covid? I would guess it's a tiny fraction of less than one %.

 

A 9/11 death rate every 10 days is a considerable number the majority of whom would not have died if they accepted the vaccine

 

Do you need help interpreting "Nearly all COVID deaths in the U.S. are now among nonvaccinated"

 

The vaccines were relatively effective at preventing the spread of the original covid, but the delta variant is better at spreading, even to the vaccinated, making them only about 60% effective at preventing transmission of the delta variant. The reason unvaccinated people are to blame is because these variants wouldn't even exist in a world where everybody got quickly vaccinated. Had America been fully vaccinated, it would have been harder for even the delta variant to gain a foothold. However, given how contagious delta is, it probably wouldn't have been enough on its own - hence the resurgence of mask mandates especially in the context of having kids who can't get the vaccine yet, and incomplete vaccination of those eligible.

People are not island unto themselves. The more unvaccinated people there are, the greater the risk to everybody around them from covid (families, communities, states). This may be fair if the only people being affected were adults each making a bad choice, but there are also kids, those who can't get the vaccine, and breakthrough cases.

The biggest benefit of the vaccines is they greatly reduce the incidence of serious infection including in the delta variant.

 

****'em. Vaccines are for the weak. Death is nature's way [/satire]

 

So far. We haven't yet seen it develop a strain that kills younger people YET. That happened in 1918. The Spanish Flu only killed older people at first and then it came back a month or so later to erase a whole GENERATION when they were in the prime of life. We should force vaccinations on individual people to eradicate a terrible disease for the good of all of us and our children

 

Even if that were true (which I take issue with), how does that affect you or the people who are vaccinated?

Seems if anything, you should be happy some conservatives are dying off.

 

You don't know that to be true.
Infections might just continue even if 100% of people were vaccinated. The vaccination doesn't seem to have a high rate of effectiveness against actual infection. You might not have any symptoms but it could be in your body mutating.

Or mutations might happen in other countries and then just a single illegal migrant could sneak in an introduce that disease.

You know countries like Africa won't be eliminating the virus anytime soon.

 

Even so, there are still millions upon millions of unvaccinated people in the U.S. who haven't died from covid. So I think you're overplaying your hand a bit to imply that being unvaccinated is some kind of a sure death sentence, which of course it isn't.

 

Saying the huge majority of people dying of COVID are unvaccinated is not the same thing as saying if you are unvaccinated you're going to die. I hope you can appreciate the difference.