6 Wounded in Massive Rocket Attack from Gaza

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  1. Thingamabob

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    You must be young. I am 71 and I remember the admiration & praise for the work accomplished by kibbutzim. But you weren't even born then so you know nothing about it. In any case, that was before the Zionist movement turned into a Nazi organization and started stealing land and slaughtering the Palestinian people.
    It is also second only to the United States in Jewish population. And, by the way, the technological contributions from the U.S. is not made by exclusively Americans. Offering money to relocate genius from abroad and buying patents do not make technology "American"
    No joke? Boy! You could have fooled me!
     
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    Ronstar is correct. What you are talking about is 'blind' support. Unconditional support is suggesting as Ronstar says a support without values. If we look at where the concept of 'unconditional' is most often used it is with love and that would usually be a parents love for a child and yes with that unconditional support but never unconditional support for behaviour. A parent who allows a child to do whatever they want does not love that child. They could not care less. Anyone who loves or cares for someone knows that part of that love is being able to tell the person when they have gone off, when they are doing wrong which we all are capable of, to bring them back on course.

    Brian Klug when speaking of antisemitism makes the good point that antisemitism is not just having negative views of Jews, it is possible for an antisemite to have overly positive ones too.

    https://www.jmberlin.de/sites/default/files/antisemitism-in-europe-today_2-klug.pdf

    I am reminded of the baiting that has gone on in this forum when a Jewish person does not present what some people believe has to be the only Jewish view.
     
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    Well done, hope it makes you happy, glad you admitted your lack of common humanity.
     
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    Shrug ...

    If the IDF just wants to ignore the independence of the GAZA Strip and make a bad commando action there, then they should not be surprised if there is a legitimate reaction to this action!

    Sorry, not even a hint of pity for Israel and its terrorist actions that, as always and fortunately have bad consequences for them!
     
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    And to think that the EU . . . the E effing U . . . is paying for those rockets for Hamas to launch at women and kids? FFS
     
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    And the US pays for the Jewish States terrorism, and all the Hasbara trolls we have on this forum!
     
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    South African Jews in trouble for making their position known.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...in-south-africa-kneel-as-israel-anthem-plays/
     
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    Here we go again with the chicken and egg argument. All you need to do is recognise that the State of Israel, created in 1949, was plonked by whim in the wrong part of the Planet. Back then, Tasmania was actualy considered as an option, but nah. Maybe it is time to move that State of Israel to where the neighbours are not hostile, instead of leaving it where it is, metaphorically right in the middle of 'Arabia.'
     
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    That's a bit like saying that the bullied kid should find another school and the bully can stay?
     
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    How about we acknowledge who the real bully is. That'd be the one armed to the teeth by the West, taking territory from its neighbours and being generally obnoxious in failing to recognisze that it was plonked by the West where it is....it never fought to win the territory it occupies, and it has been propped up by the West to hang to where it is....and that threatens World peace. Tasmania beckons. You got a problem with Tasmania? Is there some anti Tasmania bias out there? Is there some racist/bigot component to resistance to that proposal? What have you got against Tasmania? Huh?
     
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    I know FA about Tasmania, nor want to. The bully is the kid who kicks off the violence, and in this case it's always Hamas with their effing rockets.
     
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    :above: :applause: :above:
     
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    Yeah yeah yeah yeah and yeah ad infinitim chicken/egg garbage. Just cut to the chase and move the State of Israel to a very fertile place three times larger than the land mass it presently occupies and where the neighbours are friendly. Good idea or not?
     
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    Israel is already a fertile place, thanks to their ingenuity, so no need to go anywhere else - there's plenty of desert for everyone.
     
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    The U.S. sounds like a prime target.
     
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    Only in this case it was clearly started by the Jewish State!
     
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    It seems that the State of Israel believes otherwise, hence the Gazans are pissed off with them.

    Tasmania beckons, Cerberus. You got some problem...some racist...some bigotry....problem with Tasmania? Maaate...it is to die for. Sheep, wine, whiskey, forests, natural beauty, Australia, the NBN (fibre to the home,) fertile land, far better climate than 'Arabia,' friendly natives and fantastic neighbours. What's not to like? Win/win for all concerned, especially the Planet.
     
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    I believe it would be wrong to imagine Netanyhu is in some way acting as a peace person concerning this as many appear to be suggesting. Remember that Israel has killed 214 Palestinians and injured 18,000 in the Great March of Return.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/gaza-protest-latest-updates-180406092506561.html

    I think it is more to do with strategy.

    I remember when people were talking about Trump's 'Deal of the Century' they could see that one of the intentions was to finally politically cut off Gaza from the few banutstans Israel intends on leaving in the West Bank. Of course all made worst by the ongoing fighting between the West Bank and Gaza - not supported it seems by the people of the West Bank.

    What the Deal of the Century offers is the possibility of Gaza and her people getting jobs which will be created in the Sinai in return for them offering a long term truce. Hamas has been offering a long term truce for a very long time so clearly this is more than just Israel wanting a long term truce. The intent is to make Hamas and Gaza impotent while Israel gets the West Bank. Gaza is falling apart. It does not have even the basics of life - clean running water and has been like this since 2014. It is in a desperate situation. Even her cancer patients are not being allowed out so are dying. It looks like Hamas may be willing to accept the 'deal of the century' plot and in reality if they do they will give up all they have fought for. There has also been talk of moving some of the Gazans into the Sinai. At some future time Israel could just make an excuse for invasion and take Gaza.

    Israel has always been patient and by patience she has got more and more of what she wants.

    The difference between Netanyhu and Bennet, Lieberman and the rest appears to be in judgement. He does not believe that even with Trump in charge the world will allow Israel just to go on a murdering rampage in Gaza and deport survivors. He is hence prepared to play the long game. Give Hamas a few cookies now, knowing that the marvellous benefit of this is that it really does end hope for the Palestinians of any Palestinian state ever.

    https://972mag.com/netanyahu-may-lost-gaza-winning-war/138688/
     
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    As much as I am becoming less and less fond of . . . the E effing U . . . non-the-less it has to be said that it is not the fault of the EU that Israel places its "women and kids" in harm's way. It is the Israel government that encourages its' women and young to settle the stolen territories that are within target.
     
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    You have already been given the links that prove that Israel "kick(ed) off the violence" and yet here again you show your ignorance of facts. "In this case" what came first, the rockets or the intrusion by Israeli soldiers in the night into Gaza resulting in the death of 7 Gazans?
     
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    And my prediction proved right
     
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