61 dead Palestinians.... why did Trump do this?

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  1. MVictorP

    MVictorP Well-Known Member

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    IMO, and althought it has a kernel of truth, that doesn't require much "coercion". You would be aflame in the street for a lot less yourself, I'd bet.

    Hamas was, after all, created by Israel to further divide the Palestinian people, and then gave it all the reasons it needed for its continued existance.
     
  2. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    "Hamas was, after all, created by Israel"

    ?!??
     
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  3. MVictorP

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    My own reflex would have been to Wikipedia it:

    Hamas rose as an offshoot of the Gaza Mujama al-Islamiya branch of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which had been actively encouraged by Israel to expand as a counterweight to the influence of the secular Palestine Liberation Organization and had since 1973 been quiescent and non-confrontational towards Israel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Gaza_Islamic_roots_and_establishment_of_Hamas
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When your debating person is making a fool of himself, he doesn't need any help doing the job, and helping legitimize the obvious babble would not be a wise choice. It is in the thinking the babble is legitimate that the person defeats themselves, and you do it with consistency.

    I think readers are rolling in the aisles laughing at you! You think you "won"? People make fools of themselves all the time by denying what they don't want to hear, when everybody else sees what they're doing. Sadly, that seems to be exactly where you are. You don't make "arguments", points of discussion- you just insult and whine. That doesn't deserve response- perhaps pity, that this is the best you can do.

    A person can disagree and remain honorable- but you can't think and act like a spoiled kid screaming and kicking on the floor demanding to get your way and get respect for it. There's nothing to address under those circumstances, except to say the parents of such people failed to teach them how to be adult.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell it to the UN and the British who gave them the land.

    They tried to give some to the "palestinians", but they wanted it all.
     
  6. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    "My own reflex would have been to Wikipedia it:"

    Actually, I did just that. What I read, made no nention of any support from Israel.

    "Hamas was established in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations. In the 1980s the Brotherhood emerged as a powerful political factor, challenging the influence of the PLO,[5] and in 1987 adopted a more nationalist and activist line under the name of Hamas.[5] During the 1990s and early 2000s, the organization conducted numerous suicide bombings and other attacks against Israel."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hamas
     
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  7. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Oh dear!. No country called Israel existed until it was created in 1948 so how could "Israel (did ) accept it in 1948" !
     
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    Who is ridiculing their religious beliefs?
     
  9. MVictorP

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    Then you obviously didn't read as far as the part I quoted, or even what I quoted. You can take your horse to the river...
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you just answered your own question.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    really? So which question was that then?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The one where you admitted it was proposed and accepted in 1948.
     
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    Are you drinking or on drugs?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I just understand that when something is both offered and accepted in the same year, both apply simultaneously.

    Is your prefrontal cortex having issues or is your medula oblongata acting up again?
     
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    For all to see.
    You implied if you tell someone in a muslim country that you are gay, you will be killed.

    Very very dishonest of you.
    You stereotyped muslims, so I showed you stereotype of gays.
     
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    Still peddling your subjective BS about muslim beliefs.
    Give it up.
     
  17. Soupnazi

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    It is objective truth and irrefutable.

    You lose and you know it
     
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    No quite true actually the koran calls for violent executions of gays and they do enforce that religious law which is quite barbaric.
     
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    And you won't show how its objective or irrefutable.
    Because you can't. You just give your subjective opinion about it.
     
  20. dairyair

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    The implication is ALL muslim countries. That's where the post is dishonest.
    Same as saying gays are feminine. A false stereotype.

    Leviticus 20:13

    If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

    The bible calls for killing gays also.
    Yet only a few christians carry it out. And I am not aware of Jews carrying it out.

    Just like most muslims don't carry out any death penalty either.
    But there are nutheads in all religions. And take 1400 or 2000 yr old words as objective truth.
     
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    I can and did.

    It is objective truth which i backed up with facts.

    I state facts you cannot refute too bad for you.
     
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    No there is no such implication.

    The implication is the faith itself regardless of where people adhere to it.

    It is not the same as saying gays are feminine so your analogy is a failure.

    there is no book for how gays should act there IS a book stating what the beliefs of Islam are.
     
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    Nope. You did nothing. But if you did, I'd be happy to read the post. Which post #?
     
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    Of course there is. Tell someone in a muslim country you're gay, and you will be killed. That certainly implies all muslim countries. It also applies that any muslim will carry out the killing. Which is also not true.
    Else he'd been specific to the one's that do.

    Leviticus 20:13

    If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

    The bible calls for killing gays also.
    Yet only a few christians carry it out. And I am not aware of Jews carrying it out.

    Just like most muslims don't carry out any death penalty either.
    But there are nutheads in all religions. And take 1400 or 2000 yr old words as objective truth.
     
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  25. Soupnazi

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    Comparing Islam to Christianity is a non argument. Even if you are correct about the bible..
     
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