67,000 people believe something's wrong with what we were told about 9/11

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  1. genericBob

    genericBob New Member

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    Don't get too focused on the trusses, its the whole level we are talking about. and as a total level model, it does a great job.
     
  2. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but you're wrong.

    The truss connections are what his paper loops are representing.
     
  3. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    I have admitted many times that my model is not a tube-in-tube structure. Such a structure would be much more complex and expensive to build. I have already suggested that the way to do it would be with a 3D printer capable of making parts 2 feet by 2 feet.

    But no one has any evidence that floors in the north tower ever sheared off either. So your argument is based on an ASSUMPTION that you can't provide a shred of evidence for.

    So build a tube-in-tube model that can completely collapse. What has prevented any engineering school from doing it in 13 years?

    psik
     
  4. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    It would be pointless,they already KNOW what happened.
     
  5. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    So you understand and admit that your model is not to scale, is not a tube in tube structure, and represents the support mechanism of the floor incorrectly, but still maintain that it demonstrates the physics of the collapse of the towers.

    How ridiculous.

    I may have to build my own model at some point and show you just how wrong you are.
     
  6. genericBob

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    I can think of a scene where some independently wealthy individual offers up a prize for the first person to be able to demonstrate a model that has been designed to scale ( possibly 100:1 ) of the tower(s) and has individual floors like the tower(s) and will "collapse" exactly like the tower(s) did on 9/11.

    anyhow, even without somekinda prize, the bragging rights should be incentive plenty to produce such a model and demonstrate that it is possible for a gravity powered "collapse" event to do what was seen on 9/11 .....

    a 100:1 scale model would be aprox 13 ft tall, certainly a doable project, a bunch of high school nerds could do it, the real challenge is to have it behave as did the towers on 9/11.
     
  7. genericBob

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    maybe there are people who think they know what happened .....
    however the fact that in response to chaotic damage from alleged
    airliner crashes + fire, BOTH towers simply disintegrated as if struck by a starships main battery. Earthlings secretly acquired alien technology?
    what?
     
  8. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Nope,they KNOW what happened,they don't assume what happened out of incredulity
     
  9. genericBob

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    Do you understand the probability of having BOTH towers "collapse" in the manner that they did in response to chaotic damage & fire.
    The fact of the towers "collapsing" right down to ground level,
    and the NIST used the term "TOTAL COLLAPSE" in regards to the towers, so what should cause both towers to collapse in the same way?
    that is ejection of tons of pulverized material, acceleration as it descends, rapid on-set of the collapse event. This is not exclusively "incredulity" it is probability and I see that it is rather improbable to have both towers "collapse" in the same manner after one being hit at the 93rd floor and the other at the 78th floor.
     
  10. psikeyhackr

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    The core of the falling portion still had to come down on the core of the intact portion. The Conservation of Momentum does not go away because of a tube-in-tube design. And you do not have the slightest shred of evidence that a floor was ever sheared off.

    And with the tilt of the south tower the two pieces of core had to be misaligned so how could any floors fall on top of other floors through the misalignment? People spend years not pointing out the obvious that does not support the delusion.

    So build a better model and show us the collapse was possible. Curious how engineering schools that charge $20,000 per semester can't afford to have done that in 13 years.

    psik
     
  11. Hannibal

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    On topic:

    The 'petition' has failed. Citing large amounts of non-qualifying signatures and illegal process, the ballot initiative has been struck down by the city of New York.
    http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HRSI-City-Clerk-Certificate.pdf
     
  12. genericBob

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    Like the "Government" of most large cities, NYC has a deeply entrenched bureaucracy that would have to be suicidal to allow a real investigation of the "collapse" of WTC7..... However, the court of public opinion still has the option of weighing in on this.

    Are we MAD AS HELL
    yet?
     
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    When do you suppose they will? More than half of the signatures were made up by the 'truthers'.

    If there is such a strong case in the CoPO, why did the 'truthers' have to lie?
     
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    who sez anybody lied except possibly the bureaucrats who rejected the petition. They list a number of alleged reasons why signatures can be disqualified and really, there are bits about the signatures being properly qualified ( witnessed, or? ) that have all sorts of wiggle room for interpretation and in cases of highly controversial issues such as this,
    the bureaucrats will tend to push the envelope in the direction of denying the people a voice, because there is the distinct possibility of criminal charges arising from a real investigation of WTC7.
     
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    Do you have proof of the claims you make, or are you just incredulous because it didn't go your way?
     
  16. genericBob

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    Given that neither one of us has a spy inside the offices of the bureaucrats, this is sort of a moot point, there is as much opportunity and motivation for the bureaucrats to willfully falsify data, as anybody else.
     
  17. Hannibal

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    So you have no proof and were just speculating.

    Okay. At any rate, the initiative is dead.
     
  18. Gamolon

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    Where are the floors that WERE attached to the remnants of core that we see here?
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    Where are the floors attached to these core columns?
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    In the photo below, do you see the right core column? Look at the top. See the dandling two pieces? That was a floor truss.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    Where are the concrete slabs in the rubble that you say were sheared off and fell?

    psik
     
  20. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    You see anything in the pictures from this link that shows slabs within the debris? Chunks of concrete?
    http://www.stevespak.com/fires/manhattan/wtc6.html
     
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    There was concrete in the building that was not in floor slabs. But the floor slabs had a specific rebar implanted inside and it was poured on floor pans and the upper knuckles of the trusses were embedded in the concrete. It was very recognizable.

    If any amount of flooring had been found we would have heard about it long ago.

    psik
     
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    Like the second and third pictures on that page?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Rebar wasn't used in the floor pans,steel mesh was used to re-enforce them,And nothing was 'imbedded' in concrete
     
  24. Gamolon

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    So you think that the concrete, steel mesh (not rebar), floor pans, and the floor trusses were all "pulverized" into dust?
     
  25. Ronstar

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    its not a part of the DOB's mission to investigate building collapses.

    plus the fact that they are a Mayoral agency and answer to Bill de Blasio.

    there is also no honest or intelligent reason to question NIST's findings about the collapses.

    these findings are certified by some of the smartest engineers and architects on Earth.
     

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