7 October testimonies strike major blow to Israeli narrative

The article for the OP states the following:

"Unverified claims circulated by Israel that Hamas militants beheaded 40 babies on 7 October were widely rejected as propaganda which, critics argue, was designed to garner sympathy for Israel to carry out collective punishment of Gaza’s 2.2 million."

You respond by claiming the following.

I ask for evidence of just their names.

You respond with

 

Biden's ACTUAL quote.
“I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children,”

Waiting on your facts...

That's your ridiculous hot take??? An unmarked civilian vehicle full of unmarked civilians was "Israeli Occupational Forces"? I know I know...you are going to just pivot this bullshit by claiming ALL OF ISRAEL is a valid military target that doesn't have a right to defend itself because it is illegally occupying Palestine.

You can take that logic and cry a river then as Gaza gets obliterated as a reaction to that faulty logic.

Does knowing the names change the fact that they died? Were they the ONLY 2 babies? Seems to me that at least 29 children were killed that day.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/d...-7-attack-on-israel-contrary-to-online-claim/

Do we need their names? Does it make it any better or worse? Oh wait...I know, I know...those kids were "Israeli Occupational Forces and as such were valid military targets. I know who I'm talking too.

It most CERTAINLY is NOT "hidden". I don't know what ****ing video you saw. I'd post a screen grab but it's against the server rules. Unless you are once again confused about what I had said. ATTEMPTED decapitation. A Hamas soldier picked up a garden hoe and ATTEMPTED to decapitate an Israeli civilian shot in the stomach. Yes...a few of the whacks are actually filmed to the cries of "snack bar"

Oh sure. The woman who's twisted body was being dragged around GAZA by Hamas to the delight of all the civilians there was killed by Israel. Sure. Sure she was. I know this much. Had Hamas not gone into Israel to pretend to be a military force of might...she would still be alive today.

The two photos of dead babies were released by Israel on Oct 12th. So again, I don't know what ****ing fairy tale you are trying to drum up here?

Hamas wanted a reaction. That's why they did what they did. They are content with martyring the ENTIRE GAZA STRIP for their cause. This is what they wanted, this is what they got.

https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-065643206.html
"We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs."

So now they are upset that Israel will gladly take them up on their kind offer? ****ed around...is finding out. Shouldn't be upset fella. Israel is just handing out virgins in Hamas heaven.

 

I'm not interested in the 40 beheaded babies narrative. There are plenty of videos of the gore committed that day. 29 children were killed. I've seen photos of 2. I don't need to see the other 27. I don't need their names or the names of the hundreds of hostages or thousands of those killed.

I'm just thankful that Hamas was kind enough to film themselves.

Gaza wanted a reaction, it got a reaction. Hope it was worth it?

 

iThink we can all see who has done their own independent research and who just regurgitates Jewish controlled Israeli media

 

iCan't believe you still think hamas beheaded 40 babies lmao.

Where have you been. You must be the last fella on earth to believe that.

We've got news for you. Israelis lie. Baleedat!

 

Yep, that's one of them. Thanks for confirming.

So now ToughTalk is saying the two babies I listed did not die . . . I'm sure everyone will be glad they came back from the dead ToughTalk - have any evidence of this?

"Mila Cohen, 10 months
S. Abu Rashed, emergency birth, died soon after."

The vehicle was clearly marked. The footage came from a security camera and is in high resolution. Stop watching the blurry, edited Israeli propaganda versions. The names of two of the four Israeli Occupation Forces who were killed in the vehicle are easily found. That confirms the reality of Hamas attacking a legitimate target. Do you need my help in finding those names?

Complete list of everyone killed under the age of 18 on October 7 as provided by Israel.

Alina Weissberg, 17
Mor Meir, 17
Matan Rosenberg, 17
Ruth Hodaya Peretz, 17
Shachaf Kriyf, 17
Tomer Eliaz Arava, 17
Noya Sharabi, 16
Yonatan Kutz, 16
Yiftach Kutz, 14
Malek Ibrahim Alkra'an, 14
Jawad Ibrahim Alkra’an, 14
May Zuheir Abu Sabaakh, 13
Yahel Sharabi, 13
Mahmoud Diab Alkra’an, 12
Liel Hetzroni, 12
Yanai Heler Hetzroni, 12
Amin Akal Alkra’an, 11
Yonatan Zehavy, 10
Aline Kapshetar, 8
Arbel Siman Tov, 6
Shachar Siman Tov, 6
Eitan Kapshetar, 5
Yazan Zakaria Abu-Jama, 5
Omer Siman Tov, 4
Mila Cohen, 10 months
S. Abu Rashed, emergency birth

Names allow for fact-checking. Without a name, there is nothing to check unless there is a clear video, picture or the like. So when Israel names a child and says she is dead and then she suddenly comes to life in a hostage exchange, it becomes clear that the original numbers Israel came up with were falsified. And so, Emily Hand, 9, didn't actually die even though Israel said she did and they had the body.

When Israel doesn't provide names, they are asking others to trust them when they are well known for lying and DARVO tactics.

In that incredibly blurry video, someone was tapping a man with red something covering the belly of his shirt. No attempted decapitation unless you're imagining something that did not happen. No blood spurting when the neck area was hit. No blood near the neck at all. No partially removed head.

Once again. Think about it. Does it make sense?

She would still be alive if she didn't join in on Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine by continuing the settler colonization of Palestine.

Netanyahu's office releases horrifying images of infants murdered by Hamas | The Times of Israel

There is a possibility the top photo was Mila Cohen. Israel didn't say.

The bottom photo could not have been S. Abu Rashed as that baby died after an emergency birth at a hospital.

It might have been the remains of one of the Tov children whose family were likely killed by an Israeli/U.S. hellfire missile. It would explain why so much of a child's bulk was missing.

These photos are tame and mild compared to Israel's murder of babies.

Now you're quoting Pravda . . . LOL.

Hamas' reasoning behind the Al-Aqsa flood is here.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PDF.pdf

I think Hamas was likely a little surprised at how willing Israel was to murder its own citizens to preventing them from being taken hostage. But that's Israel's Hannibal directive.

 

Beheaded 40 babies? no. killed 29 children? Yup!

 

Got a link to the actual quote where he said he saw 40 beheaded babies? Or ya just bringing emotion here?

Again, you are so confused you are messing up what I've said. I said...specifically. That the IDF released the pictures of the two babies. One with some neck injury and the other which was burned. First figure out what I'm saying before responding to what you think I've said. This is embarrassing.

O Rly. How about this car?

Or this car?

Show me the "clear markings" on the van I mentioned.

My video was not blurry. And the dude took a good few solid tries to remove the man's head with the garden hoe while screaming "snack bar". I don't need your narrative on what my eyes are telling me. You think that they are being performative? LOL.

She was at a freedom rave trying to promote peace and she wasn't even Israeli, she was German. Good one though! Ya got her!

Look as I posted, Hamad is ok with Martyring the entire population of Gaza. Be thankful Israel is taking him on that request. You wanted a dance partner, you got one.

Free 72 virgins for all!

 

So you admit the Jewish media in Israel lied about 40 beheaded babies?

 

Here's the origin of the stupid 40 beheaded babies claim and how it came to be. ONE stupid journalist made the statement and it turned into a meme. Not a big deal since there is more than enough visual evidence of the violence Hamas called for that day.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/nov/21/israel-hamas-war-what-we-know-about-beheaded-babie/
"On Oct. 10, the same day i24 News reporter Zedeck broadcast live from Kfar Aza, she also shared Israeli soldiers’ testimony on social media. On X, Zedeck said, "One of the commanders told me they saw babies’ heads cut off." Thirty-five minutes later, she posted again, saying "soldiers told me they believe 40 babies, children were killed.""

If she had simple add the words possibly or estimated to be or the like it would have been fine. Since she added the word children to expand on the group she were referring to.

Not as big of a gaffe as you want to pretend it was.

 

Ok, i24 is a prominent Jewish news source in Israel btw.

So, let's try again, a simple YES or NO please.

Do you admit that Jewish controlled media in Israel has previously lied about events on October 7?

 

Yes Jewish media has a bias just as anything coming out of Gaza has a bias.

What she claimed wasn't egregious or far from the truth.

But as far as a bias? Yes absolutely.

Al Jazeera has a bias

CNN has a bias.

Fox news has a bias.

Did you have a point?

 

thank you. We finally got there and both agree that the Israelis have previously lied about events on October 7.

For you that may be a fine and dandy, even a smart thing to do, admirable even but you and iAre polar opposite. iAm a truth seeker and can you guess what truth seekers despise more than anything else?

 

I'm not sure if your 40 beheaded babies narrative qualifies as a lie. What did she say that was not factual?

Nevermind the fact that there is beyond more than enough violence recorded by Hamas that day for there to be this kind of response into Gaza.

So again, did you have a point?

 

That babies heads were chopped off.

A total lie and I'm glad you agree that the Jewish media in Israel, specifically netandyahoos i24 channel (who owns British telecoms) have lied about October 7.

 

I posted you her quote, the timeline and the origin of the quote. She actually never said "40 dead babies" Saw babies with their heads' cut off? I can't say that's neither true nor false. But a photo with a baby who had a wound near the throat area which is blurred out could qualify.

Can you prove the claim is false?

 

She wrote "chopped off" in her article.

 

Yes and do you have evidence to discount that claim? I mean we do see a photo of a dead baby where the injury is from the neck. Do we know if the head is almost removed? I don't. I just know we have a dead baby who was bleeding from the neck.

 

The burden of proof is clearly on i24 but you know this.

The reality is that there was a baby that had no head.

It could have been blown off by an Israeli tank shells, did you for one second consider that?

 

There would have been no violence in Israel of hamas didn't hop.over the fence and start violence which requires a response. Not all hamas were wearing uniforms. So id imagine idf having to come into a situation like that would bound to have civilian casualties.

So...we have photos of two dead babies. One with some kind of I jury near the neck. All the reporter said was "babies"...so we just need confirmation of a second baby near to or completely decapitated for that statement to be true.

Any **** bag group that can kill a few babies is capable of of killing a few more. Not like it matters. As I've said, there's already more than enough violence on video thanks to hamas filming themselves

 

I guess you're quibbling about Biden not saying the actual number 40. It doesn't matter. His simply saying that babies were beheaded when they weren't is enough to promote the 40 beheaded babies narrative.

Yes, you need to go back and read what you wrote. You stated the names I provided were not facts.

Next, I just posted the pictures. You need to read what the other person writes before you respond.

Both times Hamas is clearly showing restraint by first identifying those inside the cars and identifying risks before shooting. Remember Israeli colonial settlers arm themselves to kill Palestinians sometimes just because they are Palestinians. Hamas had to be careful and insure none were armed and ready to attack.

Note the untouched windshields. If Hamas was indiscriminately killing civilians like Israel does those windshields would have been shot up as the vehicles approached.

What?! Good! you can identify the Hamas soldier who killed the guy as well as the guy who was killed. Give me his name. No? too blurry?

And these "solid tries" drew no blood.

I, in no way, want to get in the way of your fantasies. You are welcome to fantasize all you would like. However, spreading your fantasies to encourage others to genocide is illegal.

She was Israeli. I know every Israeli looks like they didn't come from that region - it's because they didn't.

Yes, you quoted Pravda which says something about the sources you get your information from.

I'm assuming your quoting the Israeli genocidal terrorism channel means that you support the genocide?

 

False.

Even just the blockade of Gaza is war by international agreement.

Gaza has been run by Israel as an open air prison for decades.

This did NOT start on Oct. 7. Oct. 7 was a response to those decades of being held without a viable economy, without access to building materials, purification materials, medicine, interrupted electricity and water, travel. The majority of Gaza has been in food insecurity while Israel blocks them from fishing their own waters.

Israel has been waging war on Gaza for decades, and Gaza just has not legitimate arms for fighting back as well as having no opportunity for negotiation.i

What we are witnessing has been a long period of genocide waged by Israel.

 

I've already established the only two pictures of "babies" Israel posted. One of them was likely a young child burnt to a crisp by a hellfire missile, or it might have been something else entirely and not human. According to the Israeli records only two babies were killed. One of them was delivered at a hospital and died 14 hours later. That means one of these is not a dead baby. I put my money on the black blob not being a dead baby.

So, a headless October 7th baby is not reality.

Headless Gazan babies beheaded by Israel are a reality.

If you would like to give the name of a third baby which died on October 7, please do.

 

I think it's incredibly genius to start a rocket war against a state that has an Iron Dome when you do not...

I know hostilities didn't start Oct 7th. But there was a ceasefire of which Hamas broke on Oct 7th. But how far back did ya wanna go though? How about 1920? Wanna go back that far?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tel_Hai

 

Moving on . . .