8/hr won't keep the lights on

I don't understand how this makes everything "okay" the way it is. It is appalling.

 

Says whom?

The GOP leadership in the US is not only OK with the emergence of a neo-serf class to replace the middle class, they're actively encouraging it. Under their plan, $10/hr. is "more than generous". That may be fine if you're a neo-aristocrat or neo-landed gentry. Not so great if you're a neo-serf, though...

 

That's an interesting theory. I don't suppose that it has ever been elevated to anything more than mere speculation, has it? Whether it's Henry George or Karl Marx, just because someone postulated some grand plan doesn't mean that plan actually works.

That's not to say that current landlord-tenant legislation in the US is horribly biased against the tenant, but that's a different topic altogether.

 

Funny you should mention,
I am putting myself through college for a 2nd round. This time, business and law.
I want people to take me seriously and I know being a graphic artist will not make that happen.
I know that there is a chance to make this great country even greater.
It hurts to watch so many people I love suffer, as my sister (3 years younger) is going through the same thing I did, only she lost her vision and dropped out of college.
She literally told me her dream of becoming a successful interior designer was hopeless.
I want to make sure that rent and wages come to this cross ever again.
This will be a hard road to tread and I fear I may not see real progress in my lifetime. But I cannot stand by and do nothing.
I am fighting with and will continue to gather people who have had enough.

 

You Americans should all move to Canada. I make roughly $400/day, give or take depending on overtime, pipe-lining and we're always looking for people. You don't even need your high school diploma. Just a few cheap certificates and you're making bank. Problem solved!

 

It's not.

Allow only a mere few wealthy individuals to own/control nearly everything and freedom, liberty and prosperity will very likely become casualties. People having those rights plus reasonable opportunity to garner a living, pretty much defines our well-being (as a nation).

That isn't difficult to fathom as a rather likely outcome.
(Or is it that you think/believe making the wealthy exponentially more wealthy, helps the average working American? (What has the last 30+ years shown us about supply side economics?)

 

Wages are higher in California than in Oklahoma. In order to work in California where wages are higher, you have to pay landowners for their permission. That permission will cost you 6X as much in rent as an equivalent dwelling would cost in Oklahoma. Bottom line is, if workers want to work where wages are higher, they have to pay landowners more for their permission. Therefore, higher wages do not translate into higher living standards for the workers, just higher rents to the landowners.

Removing taxation from producers and consumers and replacing them with taxes on landowners has the support of many Nobel prize winning economists … and has caused economic booms everywhere it has been tried, to the extent that it has been tried.

http://www.wealthandwant.com/themes/quotable_nobels.htm

 

Sounds good to me! And if I was at the beginning of my working life instead at the end, I might seriously consider crossing the border for a job like that.

Right now I'm just looking for a nice safe place to retire to, where there isn't an increasing number of hysterical lunatics hellbent on ruining the tranquility. Perhaps moving to Vancouver and buying a sailboat...

 

Sorry bud, I've been to California (born there actually), and know that there's no such thing as a "landowners permission" fee.

I support your right to read crackpot theories, but not to foist them upon others.

 

My story is similar, except that it was nearly 35 years ago. You didn't mention when you were making $5.35/hr., or how much it would be equivalent to today. I don't remember my hourly wage, but after taxes it was about $100/week circa 1980. That's closer to $300/week in today's dollars. That didn't include a car or phone line because the cost of a barely running car or the deposit for phone service was several weeks pay. As was often the case back then, the job wasn't full-time, so I got no benefits either. When I got injured, I got no benefits. One minor accident and it was all over. Not a sustainable position, even back then!

I challenge you to try it. This time, no cheating. No bringing in wealth from your childhood (like that car), no credit rating or any other advantage that someone new to the workforce wouldn't have. Go ahead, try it.

Please present a workable plan for doing it. You say it as if it "just happens", but that's evading reality. So go ahead and explain how someone living hand to mouth can manage to get a better job, step by step.

 

so becaues you didn't choose a career path wisely, the grocery store owner should be compelled to pay you more?


lololol

you are living, you are getting a living wage. you are not entitled to live by yourself.... find a better job

 

Managers are rarely paid by the hour. They're on salary and Wendy's is no different: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Wendy-s-Salaries-E728.htm
General Manager average $43,346

Assistant Manager average $29,728

 

on a side note... yes, they get paid by salary when I worked there in the 90's, but as an assistant manager, I worked a by the hour pay scale. But it was rare.... I just happened to catch them at a time they desperately needed a manager, so I got 8/hour plus all the overtime pay back in 95. I made more than any other manager in the company (they were on salary)

 

A lot of that is happening in N. Dakota. People heading out there to make a lot of money where the jobs are--in the oil and gas industry.

 

an able bodied male can make $400 a day with no training on oil rigs in Louisianna.


There are jobs available.... people just don't want to work them

 

they would rather take minimum wage jobs and complain about the pay...doesn't make sense to me....

 

No offense, but you didn't do your research on your future career, and you are now paying for that. Also, honestly, there are a lot of graphic designers--much more than there are jobs. From cocoa, isnt' there some way to get to Miami fairly easily? It's only about 4 hrs away.

 

This is what people are not paying attention to. Its not just min wage jobs that are the problem, its entry level administration and skilled labor too. Jobs that used to provide living wages are disappearing.

Of course its all the individuals fault, individually... But if we pay more attention to the big picture its pretty clear that our society is leaving lots of people behind. Not everyone is going to be a Steve Jobs, no matter how hard everyone may try.

 

Totally reasonable. If you are not willing to relocate to where you can use your education, not only is your education a waste. You are too immature. Go where the money is, or quit complaining.

 

this is the thing.... people don't research their career choices.... they pick a degree in a field with a glut of competition, and then get upset they can't find work, and then complain that the work that is available to them (grocery store, fast food) is beneath them or doesn't pay what they feel their value is....


$8 is your value.... sorry for the ego punch... but that's all

 

Actually, in FL, it does meet the CPI. As the CPI adjusts, so does FL's minimum wage.

 

I should also add, welcome to working in Brevard County. LOL
Also, living in Cocoa you could commute to Orlando pretty easy.

 

take home depot as an example..in 2005 revenue was 91 billion...in 2013 it was just 74 billion..so how to they increase profits?..cut the work force down..cut the waste...don't expand ....so less jobs now than before...all companies are doing this for the last 5 years....