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  1. Moi621

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    I Do Not Know.



    I Do Know I would not like to term Democracy as a
    choice of this Party's Leader or That.
    And local leaders such as Governors are cut out of the loop too.
    The independent election of a Chief Executive is more
    Democratic than any Parliamentary system I can imagine.
     
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    Tell that to the person I responded to.

    I'm not going to argue the constitution with someone who doesn't accept the constitution.
     
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    Says the guy who wants to get rid of the Electoral college because it doesn't always yield him the results he wants.
     
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    Next, they'll want to get rid of the senate!
     
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    geography is irrelevant. people matter. the people rejected trump.
     
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    So what? Under the terms of the treaty, that is irrelevant. What matters is the vote of the state appointed electors.

    Are you also opposed to the senate?
     
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    What the people want is irrelevant in a free society? how un-American.

    no
     
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    No, the people want the electoral college. That's what they agreed to in the treaty.
     
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    they did? pretty sure the oldest living person in the US, wasn't there when the treaty was signed.
     
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    I thought you insist states can not leave in a free society?
     
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    I don't insist. I've proven they can't. Not sure what that has to do with the people choosing their elected representatives?
     
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    People live in that geography and their issues are every bit as important as those of city dwellers.
     
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    I agree. which is why 1 person 1 vote should be the way we decide who our leaders are. People in rural, unpopulated states votes weigh more than populated states votes. That is unequal.
     
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    But the people haven't changed it. So they obviously want it. Are you disagreeing with what the people want?
     
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    So, you're perfectly happy with the disenfranchisement of millions of voters? You're fine with the tyranny of minority rule? Would it still be okay if Hillary had been elected by the same margin of EC votes even if Trump had the most popular votes? Try to be honest.
     
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    Just like in the senate. The treaty has many built-in systems to balance the interests of the less populous and more populous states. That's how the delegates were able to all agree to the treaty.
     
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    You proven no such thing, who would enter into a contract if no option to leave?
     
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    Except if you do it that way Presidential candidates will never even know there is anything but cities. And every one else can just be slaves to city dwellers.
     
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    slave
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    1. a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
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    Just showed you they don't.
     
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    Millions of voters, by your definition, get disenfranchised every election because their candidate lost. There are always winners and losers. You don't want to stand among the losers learn the rules and figure out how to make them work for you instead of against you.
     
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    repeatedly proven states can not secede. Texas v White.
     

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