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2600 out of over 2 million!!!

That is not rampant!!!

 

Reported have gone down...

1 in 4 women...pal...

that's 25% of the total female population claim to have been the victim of sexual assault at some point in their lifetime..

You're ignoring that....

Please counter that statistic.

Plus you purposely skew the military data adding rape and sexual assaults as one figure and only using the rape statistic for the populatioin as a whole.

You do understand the difference between sexual assaults and rape?

85% of sexual assaults, the victim knows their attacker, therefore the majority go unreported.

 

19000 not 2600. You are wrong,you have been proven wrong. Proven wrong by US government stats. Get it?

 

1992 stats pal. You should have read my link pal that says that rape has gone down 60% since 1993 pal. You were wrong pal because you failed to research properly pal.

No pal I have included all sexual assaults which include rape in the US military and all in US civilian life pal. You are just upset because you have had your ass handed to you because your own research was 20 years out of date pal.

 

Even the most recent statistics say 1 in 4...

So, who's lying?

 

Well, why in the (*)(*)(*)(*) did you post the 2600 stat yesterday?

Are you trying to contradict yourself?

Do you see what I'm getting at?

None of your stats match up...

Somebody's fudging something...

 

REPORTED ...have gone down...

Plus arguing with you is a waste of time.
You are still selective arguing and ignoring that 1 in 4 claims sexual assualt in her lifetime.

Out of a population of 310 million, assuming 50% female...

25% of 155 million = 38 million women walking around out there in the population who have at one time been sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

12% of the total population.

1 in 10.

It's rampant in the culture...the vast majority goes UNREPORTED.

Does it occur in the ranks?
It does, no one is denying that, but I see no evidence there is greater likelihood of being the victim of sexual assault while in the service as compared with civilian life.

So there's no point in wasting my time further with you.

Do have a nice day.

 

I never. I posted that there were 19000 sexual assaults in the US military and those figures come from the dept of defence.

 

You are still using 1992 stats. Very funny. Yes no point debating with me when you are using 20 year old data. You got caught out and now have to run away.

 

That is not recent,that is what herk posted up. It comes from 2002 and is from The World Health Report Fact Sheet on Sexual Violence, 2002. and it says..

Nearly 1 in 4 women may experience sexual violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.

 

Excuse me, 2900...

Still around 1%, and far from rampant...

 

I posted a stat yesterday from an organization with stats from '07, and their stats were relatively recent, and they said around 1 in 6 I do believe...

The numbers in the military are not even close...

 

I posted up the Dept of Defence figures in a post it says 19000. I have posted up the figures from the Dept of Justice for civilian sexual assaults. They prove that the US military has a higher rate. It is not rocket science.

PARK CITY, Utah (AP) — The Department of Defense estimates that more than 19,000 military men and women were sexually assaulted by fellow troops in 2010 while serving in the United States armed forces.

http://news.yahoo.com/sundance-documentary-examines-rape-us-military-101519990.html

and the civilian figures from the Dept of Justice.

There is an average of 207,754 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year.1

U.S. Department of Justice. National Crime Victimization Survey. 2006-2010.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/frequency-of-sexual-assault

So 207,000 sexual assault in the US civilian life with a population of 320 million and 19000 in the US military with just over 2 million members. So sexual assaults in the US military are higher than in US civilian life and by a lot.All my figures come from 2010.

 

Even if we take those figures into account, both come in <1%...

But, you've posted so many different figures, who's to say which ones are right...

Though you seem to only be interested in the ones that make the military look bad...

The site I linked to yesterday said, with stats from '07 (which probably haven't changed all that much) that someone was sexually assaulted every 2 minutes in the US...

I can guarantee that that is not the case in the military...

It would fall the (*)(*)(*)(*) apart...

 

207,000 sexual assaults in the entirety of the population....

Horse hockey..that is complete b.s.

It only covers reported sexual assaults....38% of college women report to have been sexually assaulted at one point in the 4 years of attending college.


The VAST majority of sexual assaults go unreported...the VAST majority know their attacker...
between 80-90%

The military is making a concerted effort to lessen the stigma and fear associated with reporting a sexual assault/rape..therefore it makes sense that reported sexual assaults are increasing...it means the DoD is being effective in encouraging reporting if the crime occurs.

No one is denying that crimes like rape and other sexual assaults occur as service member on service member...it's a crime...

However to argue that civilian life for a woman in terms of being sexually assaulted...is far safer...I see no evidence for that.

You focus on reported statistics when clearly this is an UNREPORTED crime in both the military and civilian realm...however the military is taking a proactive stance to encourage REPORTING...therefore it makes sense that reportings have increased.

 

You know, I feel compelled to point out that that stat of 207,000-ish only takes into consideration ages 12 and older...

You can't fairly compare that against the whole population...

That is highly dishonest, and that's putting it mildly...

 

These are the official figures from the US government,the Dept of Defence and the Dept of Justice. The US military figures for sexual assaults are 19000 in a population of 2 million members. The civilian number are 207,000 in a population of 320 million. The US military figures are hugely more than the US civilian norm. If you correlate them with the US population then you get a figure of about 28.5 million sexual assaults from a population of 320 million and that is a vast difference to the 207,000 civilian assaults in a population of 320 million.

 

Those are the Dept of Justice figures for 2010 so no not BS, now what you posted up was BS as I have shown. I have proven my case with all the relevant stats from the US government. You on the other hand have proven nothing apart from not knowing how to research properly and being caught out using 20 year old figures to try and prove a point.

 

Exactly, it's skewing the data set.

 

Read my above post...

Your stat comparison (which appear to be composed by you) counts rapes/SA in the population 12 and up, against the population as a whole...

That is unbelievably dishonest...

 

If only they knew how many SA briefings we military folks have had to sit through...lol

If anything, the issue of SA is being beaten into the ground in the military, not swept under the rug...

 

They are not composed by me they are composed by the US government. You have lost this debate OK. End of story. So you and your buddy herk who cannot do research for the life of him carry on by yourselves.You can take every kid out under the age of 17 and you have still lost, I have proven my case perfectly.

 

Use a little common sense. 99% of sexual assaults/rapes are carried out by men. 86% of the military are men. Most sexual assaults are carried out by younger men (certainly not all, but generally). 95%+ of the men in the military are between the ages of 18 and 45. Younger women are more likely to be assaulted than their older counterparts. 95% of female military members are between 18 and 45.

In other words, the U.S. military has a much higher percentage of possible offenders and a much higher percentage of it's demographic that fits within the victim and attacker profile (18-45). The overall U.S. population number your comparing it to includes A LOT fewer men as well as a much older demographic that includes senior citizens and disabled people. It'd be much more accurate to compare the military rate with the college rate.

Even then you haven't proved that the military rate is higher than the civilian rate.

 

The 19,000 number you're using is the ESTIMATED total number including the UNREPORTED ones. Panetta is taking into account that most sexual assaults go unreported and getting the 19k number from there.

Your 207,000 number is only the reported ones. It does not include an estimate that takes into account the high rate of unreported crimes. This is why your numbers are so inflated, you're comparing two vastly different statistics.

See the difference?

 

Again, look at my previous post. You are completely wrong. The 19000 is an estimate that includes the high number of unreported assaults. The DOJ numbers are only actual reported crimes.