9/11 Science Club! What Are Specific Heat and Heat-Energy Content?

No one took out the US military on 9/11/01. They hijacked 4 passenger aircraft and all but one of the four were down on target but were had time to so much as scramble a plane. The fourth one badly off course crashed before we could find it. One you turn off the transponders it become quite difficulat to find one aircraft among litteraly hundreds of others flying in the same general vacinity.

 

Sp...why the big budget for the military when 4 passenger aircraft will do the trick nicely huh? Seems like a monumental waste of "technology" if you asked me. Box cutters from Walmart, couple of tickets and boom...you own the military. Great savings to be had there I would think.

 

I don't work for 'evil people'. You, however defend religious terrorists, and shill for the government.

 

So the OP posts a bunch of pseudo-scientific garbage, and disappears instead of defending his BS claims.

Exactly what you'd expect from a truther.

 

Fraudster, exactly what did they accomplish? They destroyed a handful of buildings damaged a few more and pissed off the baddest military on the face of the planet who has long since killed off most of the leadership. They killed 3000 of ours we've lost count of how many of there's have died on account of it.

 

The OP left his lemmings and socks behind, though.

 

Cartoonish, anyone can stop reading right there. Note the tone of the disinfo shills, overuse of superlatives as if talking to a child. "Tens of thousands of tons!" "Those were JUMBO JUMBO JETS!" Millions of tons of concrete!

They never specify quantities and do calculations, because the official story doesn't stand up to hard science. So we get cartoon physics, Wile E. Coyote fell from a cliff SO HIGH he made a hole in the desert floor all by himself, instead of being squashed flat by the much harder Earth, as physics would predict.

9/11 is the price we pay for dumbed-down American science education.

Even better than calculations try common sense. Light up your wood stove, put lots of paper and office carpet in it, and see if it melts into the floor, or even gets soft. Steel woodstoves run hotter than the 9/11 fires all winter, using hotter fuel ,like coal or wood, and they never suddenly loose all their strength and collapse.

Jet fuel is just kerosene, burns no hotter in open air than lighter fluid. But they could count on dumbed-down Americans not to know this, so they could yell "JET FUEL!"

Jet fuel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

It was like the magician blowing a fireball, very impressive unless you understand it's just methane. Most of the jet fuel which blew out in the fireballs was the "shock and awe" which made dumb Americans think extraordinary physical forces were now at work.

More cartoon physics, comparing the amount of oxygen which can be produced by a convection current to the mechanically compressed and forced air supply which is necessary to raise steel to malleable temperatures. If this were true, forgeries would just punch a hole in their air-blast furnaces instead of spending all that expensive energy to compress oxygen and pump it at pressure into the beds of coke or coal. I congratulate you! You have revolutionized the foundry business!

Moreover, if your theories are correct, then no fireman should ever again be ordered to enter a high-rise on fire to put out a fire, because the whole building might suddenly fall on top of him in 10 seconds.

The mark of a disinfo shill is you continue to spin where you think you can spin, and blow smoke, and ignore the rest. The fact is even without simple high school physics the evidence of demolition is overwhelming: most of the steel frame found in cleanly cut pieces hurled at 80mph laterally for two football fields, the molten lakes of steel in the basements for months, which only something like thermite would cause - oh well whaddya know! They found thermite residue! The impossible flying and navigation jobs by party boy, flight school drop outs out of visual range of the shoreline, including a 320 degree, 7,000 foot spiral dive into the Pentagon at 500MPH, which ace pilots say they could not duplicate.

No aluminum from planes does not mix with iron and magically make military grade nano-thermite, which consists of elements refined down to the atomic level. That is as stupid as saying you can drop a carton of eggs, a stick of butter, and a block of cheese down an elevator shaft and at the bottom find a perfect egg souffle. Instead of a block of cheese, a stick of butter, and a carton of broken eggs.

The fact is Europeans, Japanese, and other countries are laughing at Americans, because they still require science in high school in these countries. Only in dumbed-down America could they get away with 9/11 and explanations bordering on Wile E. Coyote making a hole in the desert floor.

Americans need only believe their eyes and ears. You can see the steel structure being cut to pieces and spinning like toothpicks sway from the towers. Each of the "sticks" you see here is a ten to 30 foot I-beam up to five feet wide, remember the scale of the towers wads massive.

[video=youtube;nUDoGuLpirc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDoGuLpirc[/video]

Still photo


We even know what kind of demolition this was. It's called a "banana peel"-style demo, used for taller buildings where tipping is a danger if cut from bottom to top. Here is one in China compared to the WTC. Note the streamers of debris arcing outward away from the base.

[video]http://busharchives.org/911/stillexplodecircle.jpg[/video]


Aerial Photo: 9/11 Towers Exploded OUT, Did Not "Collapse" (revised)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149631763


Military Officers Question 9/11

"What we know and don’t know about 9/11," by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Ronald Reagan.

Firefighters for 911 Truth

Pilots for 911 Truth

Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth

911Research.net

"Who Did It? Technology of Autopilot/Remote Flight on 9/11, Motive, Means, Opportunity"

 

Well...let's see. Everybody "went shopping", just like President Dooshbag told them to and we have the debt to reflect it. The cost of the BS war in Iraq we were lied into and we all financed. 3000 of our own as you point out so wonderfully. Perpetual war in the middle east and we've all but insured WWIII, but, what's a "handful" of buildings in place of that? Since our administration at the time also assisted the whole thing occurring in the very first place, I'd say "they" accomplished quite a bit. (they being Cheney and company).

 

I'll take a stab. Two buildings made of concrete and steel go "poof" ...straight down......in under an hour??? Oh wait...I thought it was the jet fuel that weakened the whole structures? Oh wait...no...most of that burned up on impact. Errrr...ummm..how did they fall again???

 

exactly,thats the ONLY thing that has been debunked.He only sees what he WANTS to see ,proving he did not watch those 2 videos I posted and is in denial.

the official conspiracy theory apologists ALWAYS do that,claim its been debunked without ever looking at the evidence you present in videos claiming that because its a youtube video there is no credibility.they wouldnt last one minute in a debating hall and would be laughed out in that time frame if they debated like that there liek they do here.hee hee.

the officail conspiracy theory apologists ALWAYS ignore everytime bld 7 as well because it is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission that they could not get around and nobody else can either.they cant get around the fact that there were other buildings MUCH closer to the towers than bld 7 that had far more extensive fires and far more damage to them than bld 7 did yet none of them collapsed.they ignore this fact EVERYTIME.

they also ignore the testimony of barry jennings because they know it proves their pitiful lies and ramblings wrong that there were no explosives that brought down bld 7. Jennings told reporters later that day that there was a EXPLOSION in the basement in bld 7 and it came BEFORE the towers fell down which is crucial because that shreads to pieces the lies of the 9/11 commission that the debris from the towers caused the fires in bld 7 and made it collapse.anybody who ignores this fact is obviously a paid shill sent here to try and derail these 9/11 truth discussions,they know it,we know it.

 

that would be a great story if you were inventing a fairy tale but it doesnt hold up in the REAL world,that explanation.hee hee.

 

thanks for proving as always you only see what you WANT to see ignoring facts that shoot down your ramblings as my two videos i posted do just that.well done.oh and this is the biggest and funniest 9/11 conspiracy THEORY of them all.

http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/244858-9-11-explained-5-minutes.html

you might try and take your OWN advise and educate yourself instead of being afraid of the truth and only seeing what you want to see as you always prove in your posts.

 

Notice how all the official conspiracy theory apologists all ran off with their tail between their legs when you cornered them with this information?

they are now asking their handlers what kind of lies to make up so they can try and refute these facts.thats what they ALWAYS resort to when they are cornered and getting their arse handed to them on a platter .you can count on them doing that again when they come back as well.

 

edited,double post.

 

lies as always from you,we debunk you constantly and then when you have been debunked,you frady cat deniars make up lies and B.S to try and save face in your posts instead of being mature enough to admit defeat.you know it,i Know it. we arent the ones that run off with our tails between our legs when asked to address facts in videos like you constantly do all the time.


At a guess I suspect most truthers have never been in a building more than three stories tall, are completely unfamiliar with elevators and how they are built and designed and have at most a BA in literature.

according to your pathetic logic,these truthers here in this link have never been ina buillding and are tin foil hatters. you of course wont open up the link and read the tons of information in it since as we both know,you are afraid of the truth and in denial.

http://ae911truth.org/

you OCTA'S sure never get tired of humiliating yourselfs over and over again and proving that the truth scares you.

 

"Steel woodstoves run hotter than the 9/11 fires all winter, using hotter fuel ,like coal or wood, and they never suddenly loose all their strength and collapse."

Taxcutter says:
Steel woodstoves efficiently throw heat into the room. Heat does not build up in the woodstove.

 

"heat does not build up in a woodstove?" Please never stick your hand in one to test this out. But on the other hand, you mean heat DOES build up in a skyscraper even better than a woodstove? I guess that's why firemen can run into skyscrapers to try to put fires out. Inside out, upside down, cartoon physics, that's all disinfo shills can do, relying on the fact that Americans are dumbed-down in science,and their need to believe that elements of their own government could never do such a terrible thing to them.

There were only a few floors on fire and they were already going out at the time the demolition was triggered. The black smoke is evidence of cool, oxygen-starved fires, and a firefighter is heard to say from the 78th floor of the South Tower that he sees only "two isolated pockets of fire."

Seven minutes before the collapse, battalion chief Palmer is heard to say:

If the fires were anywhere near the temperatures required to soften steel, people would not be standing in the windows, since those kind of temperatures shrivel carbon-based life to charcoal and water, in other words, crispy critters. Even NIST admitted that none of the steel they had tested showed evidence of temperatures over 500-600F, the temperature of normal office fires.

But again you keep glossing over reams of evidence, like WTC7 not even hit by a plane, military grade nano-thermite residue, molten steel, and the tower steel being cut to pieces and blown out right in front of your face, and found stuck in the sides of buildings like Banker's Trust. Not to mention windows blown out across the WTC complex, from concussion, not gravitational collapse.

Blown out windows



Come on man, there is video where you can hear the demolition sequence initiating the explosions at an accelerating rate downward, just as firemen described:
[video=youtube;uxB7R-z6E1I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxB7R-z6E1I[/video]

But of course that would be "popping rivets" and such, right? Anything but what your eyes and ears tell you. This following must be a "boiler" going, it's not as if anyone knows an explosion when they hear one (these were going off all morning, probably weakening strong points like mechanical floors before the final sequence):

[video=youtube;y2vxj2yxfAM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2vxj2yxfAM[/video]


Firefighter John Schroeder, who was on 78th floor of South Tower, describing building disintegrating from core, does not believe planes and fires took down towers.
[video=youtube;DBb00PQR1zo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo[/video]

Yes and I suppose these "college educated" hijackers were so well-connected they could order the scheduling of NORAD war games, so that at least 5 would be taking place that morning in order to confuse the NORAD air defenses.

Military Patriots Question 9/11

Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS

Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School. Combat time over Iraq. 20-year Air Force career. "I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back. The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were pre-planned."

 

You'll get no responses from the disinfo patrol. Their job is only to keep the water nice and muddy by injecting sarcasm, insults, or or just plain BS to keep the public as dumbed down as much as they possibly can.

 

Munkle you might pull your head out long enough to realize that the heat was concentrated in three floors.

Razer is a fraud. His back ground changes almost every time he rears his (*)(*)(*)(*) head. The first time he was supposedly a test pilot that had flown evrything from captured Russian Migs and FB-111's to Super hornets and most everything in between. The only problem was you couldn't find the name in the list of Know US airforce test pilots which is readily availble on line. At that time he claimed even the most skiled pilot couldn't possible execute the maneuver indicated at the Pentagon. The only problem is if you do the math, It amounts to a 180 degree descending turn at roughly 2/3 cruising speed. A good pilot could have easily done it at full cruising speed with no problems.

 

No one is making that claim except for you.

War games and drills happen every day. Nothing out of the ordinary. Take a look to see exactly what drill were scheduled for that day. NORAD air defenses were not confused.

And yes, the hijackers were college educated and aircraft trained, not 'bearded cave dwellers' as the racist frauds like to whine.

 

Science can't be bent to your will, do you really think your more of a expert on this then all the people that have studied? The generally population even of these "more educated" countries still believe it was Al Qaeda I mean come on. If the US government wanted to do it why not just make low grade bombs plant them at the base of the tower blow them up and blame it on Al Qaeda? less trace able less room for fools to try and bend science because it was a bomb plain and simple. I mean do you think if the government was going to do it they would make it so easy to figure out that some dim-wit could watch a video and figure it out?

Stop messing with science and trying to make it something its not.


Wood Stove facts
Wood Stoves do warp and break. Most have to be replaced in a 5 year period if used often.
Wood Stoves contain heat up to a extent then push heat out the pipe(chimney), or disperse it into the room.

We are talking about something that is meant to disperse heat and does not have 300k-500k tons sitting upon it. I mean you compared a Wood Stove to a 100+ floor building.
The sheer weight and heat on the building could have been enough to make the building fall but add in the structural damage to the building it makes perfect sense that it would come down.

Lets talk math jet fuel burns at what? I'll say 750C, steel weakens and loses much of its strength at 650C-850C depending on the steal, so the steal loses 50% of its strength and the floor beams begin to bend under the weight of the building, the fire gets hotter and hotter as office supplies burn and catch flame. This goes on for about hour you now have more floors on fire more weakened steal, the first floor collapses the building comes down in a free fall. You don't have to have liquid steel, just weak steel.

You stated that Iron/Steel is a good conductor which is a lie and anyone with a high school degree knows this, the purer the medal the better the conductor. You say things that are a contradiction to science then you expect people to believe you?

 

Woodstoves do get hot, by human standards. Anything over 130 degrees has a potential to burn human tissue. But woodstoves work by radiative heat transfer. Very efficient in that is transfers heat at roughly the fourth power of the “delta-T” (the difference between the hot surface and a cold surface it “sees.” But to get any reasonable amount of heat transfer you do need a workable delta-T, usually about 400 degrees or so. So if you shoot an IR thermometer on a woodstove it shows you about a 450 degree surface temperature. The same IR thermometer shows the fire temperature at about 1800 degrees. That doesn’t matter because of the refractory firebrick between the fire and the metal of the stove.

The fire retardant on the structure on steel buildings does the same function of the refractory firebrick in a woodstove – modulating temperature. Thanks to the impact of the planes, this stuff was removed (refractories tend to be brittle) at the WTC.

If you could push more air through your wood stove the fire would get hotter and the surface temperature of the metal would get hotter, but your room would rapidly become untenable due the heat.

Fuels have no inherent temperature limitations of fire burning that fuel. You can have modest kerosene fires with low temperatures or you can have naval boilers running at very high temperatures. Its all in the draft and the fire configuration.

 

as always a post by someone proving he is afraid of the truth and only sees what he wants to see,like clockwork,he ignored everything muncie posted cause he knows he cant refute it.hee hee.

 

yep.like i said before,they have all ran off with their tails between thier legs since he made that great post on the last page not even trying to debunk it,their handlers cant think of any new propaganda for them to post,their stumped,so they arent sending them here since they know they are cornered.hee hee. not one has attmepted to address his facts,they know they are cornered like a rat.hee hee.

 

LOL how ironic a defender of the official failty tale saying "you cannot bend science to your will,' when that is exactly what the official story does.


You say:

But we are not talking abpout warping and breaking over 5 years, we are talking about sudden collapse within seconds. So right there everyone can dismiss you, because it is clear you are not interested in having an honest discussion. This is reinforced when you say "You don't have to have liquid steel, just weak steel." But no one said anything about "liquid steel," so you are just plain intellectually dishonest.

LOL funny how you want to keep going around in circles on woodstoves when I presented you with direct evidence that the fires were small, limited, and cool, like typical disinfo ignoring the strongest evidence and looking for where you can blow the most smoke. I said:

There were only a few floors on fire and they were already going out at the time the demolition was triggered. The black smoke is evidence of cool, oxygen-starved fires, and a firefighter is heard to say from the 78th floor of the South Tower that he sees only "two isolated pockets of fire."

Seven minutes before the collapse, battalion chief Palmer is heard to say:

You have no choice but to ignore it, don't you? Because you can't deploy your first choice, to simply say the fireman didn't know what he was talking about. He was only inside the building where the planes hit.

Then, if the fires were anywhere near the temperatures required to soften steel, people would not be standing in the windows, since those kind of temperatures shrivel carbon-based life to charcoal and water. Even NIST admitted that none of the steel they had tested showed evidence of temperatures over 500-600F, the temperature of normal office fires.

More on NIST report:
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#exaggeration

But most glaring is that you ignore the entire premise of the post, that even regardless of what temperatures the fires might have reached, not enough fuel was present to transfer sufficient heat energy to weaken the steel. This is a fundamental scientific concept which Europeans and Japanese understand, because they still have to take science in high school, versus the deliberately dumbed-down American curriculum. And where is science education the strongest? Why in the world's last economic powerhouse, Germany. Guess what? 90% of Germans do not believe the 9/11 Official Fairy Tale of Ali Baba Laden and His 19 Hijackers.

German poll:
http://911truthnews.com/german-poll-89-question-911/

But again you keep glossing over reams of evidence, like WTC7 not even hit by a plane, military grade nano-thermite residue, molten steel, and the tower steel being cut to pieces and blown out right in front of your face, and found stuck in the sides of buildings like Banker's Trust. Not to mention windows blown out across the WTC complex, from concussion, not gravitational collapse. Why would you want to keep saying silly things about wood stoves and ignore these blown out windows? How does a gravitational collapse blow out windows? Oh yes, that must have been, let me guess, from "shock waves" when the airplanes hit!

Blown out windows



You also ignored the video where you can hear the demolition explosions just as firemen described. I bet you were hoping that would get buried downthread but QUICK, huh?

[video=youtube;uxB7R-z6E1I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxB7R-z6E1I[/video]

Oh right, that was "popping rivets," which also happen to cut four-foot wide steel beams to small pieces and blow them out laterally for two football fields. What is the below five-story, 20 ton chunk of perimeter wall doing all the way to Church Street?

Aerial view of debris 11 days after attacks, not carpet of cleanly cut, nearly uniform length steel beams:





You ignored firefighter John Schroeder, who was on 78th floor of South Tower, describing building disintegrating from core, does not believe planes and fires took down towers.

[video=youtube_share;DBb00PQR1zo]http://youtu.be/DBb00PQR1zo[/video]

Come on, try again, and don't be so transparent. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously?