9/11 WTC Demolitions, American Anger Lives On! The Criminals Exposed!

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    really?

    so energetics were expected huh, nice admission of guilt

    I am glad everyone agrees.

    love the video btw


    [video=youtube;30OVAvg1aGQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OVAvg1aGQ[/video]


    but then its been shown ad borinus how many times and debunkers simply dont get it

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    molten alum is silver at 1800

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    now molten steel is orange

    they dont get it, they never will it seems.
     
  2. holston

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    RJ Lee said that the iron spheres characterized the trade center dust. They did not say that it was usually a product of ordinary office fires, but that normally their appearance accompanied very high temperatures. No where in their report did they offer any other explanation for their formation, only that they may be created under severe conditions.

    Also, that is NOT primer paint seen flowing from the corner of the towers nor is it primer paint seen glowing in the jaws of the grapple.

    And you cannot say that the substance pouring from the building was aluminum because molten aluminum is silver, not orange.

    Here is where you hypothesize some random mixture of aluminum with some other unknown material as producing the orange color. You offer only a hypothesis, not a demonstrable proof of anything anymore that that which you demand of everyone of the questionable events surrounding 9/11.

    At every point where a question is raised you demand proof of this and proof of that, to which you add YOUR OWN HYPOTHESIS, which according to YOU is supposed to suffice as the only evidence required.

    In other words, in any case where there remains an unresolved question, we are automatically supposed to accept YOURS as THE ONLY PLAUSIBLE ONE.

    Can anyone imagine any suspected arson being investigated using the same method?


    Well, don't look too shocked, that's exactly what occurred with the remains of 9/11, protocol and law not withstanding!
     
  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    You will find that is SOP for literally all government. You have to "prove" everything and they consider themselves above the same standards!

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    wow lookee there thermate making vertical cuts.
     
  4. plague311

    plague311 New Member Past Donor

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    Once again, your glaring inability to comprehend information is outstanding. From the same (*)(*)(*)(*)ing quote as above:

    Meaning, they knew there were high temperatures. They were there and RJ Lee knew they were there. What is wrong with you people? Is it willful ignorance at this point? Do you just not read?

    No, you're right. It might not be primer paint, but it's not thermite. It could be electrical parts, it could be anything. What does the glowing in the grapple have to do with anything? Explain it to me, what does glowing metal have to do with your plot? PLEASE explain this to me? Because thermite can't maintain heat, it burns and is done. It can't keep metal glowing. Do you know anything about thermite? It doesn't matter what you think Holston, the scientific evidence states there was no thermite there. I know you aren't interesting in actually learning, but I have 4 questions for you that you seem to avoid like the plague.

    Glad I didn't say it was aluminum, I said that I don't know what it is exactly. It doesn't look like a metal at all, it looks like sparks from an large electrical "something" that is blowing. It certainly doesn't resemble thermite, other than to your untrained eyes. Koko, your little video had 1.5 pounds of thermite in it to make a little incision. It would take, literally, tons of the stuff to take down the WTC. If you want your theory to be taken seriously than you better explain a way they got it in there. Mind you, thermite has been recognized by demolition experts as a compound they would not use to demo a building. And we found 0 amounts of thermite in the dust. Jones paper has been debunked a millions times over, just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't mean it's not there.

    I'm not offering (*)(*)(*)(*), I don't know what it is, I just know what it isn't. Don't try to put words in my mouth to prove your point. You don't provide proof for anything, so that's quite ironic of you to point the finger at me.

    Once again, you're making (*)(*)(*)(*) up. I don't demand proof of this and that, I demand that when you make an outrageous statement, you back it up with evidence provided by non truther sites. However, that's all you use. You handwave my evidence away, I refute yours with more evidence. That's how this has worked. You don't have one source in your little rant, not one to back up the (*)(*)(*)(*) you're spewing. I sourced your exact source that refutes what you are saying, they go directly against YOUR hypothesis.

    No, I am doing the opposite of that. I am doing exactly the opposite of that. I encourage people to follow my sources, read the information provided, do the research yourself. I don't believe anyone that comes and reads this should believe anything either one of us say. I feel they should read what we say, follow the sources, follow the evidence, follow the common sense, and make up their own minds. I hope people don't take what I say at face value, and I beg every reader to do their own research. That's exactly how I came to where I am today, not by reading woo sites and subscribing to the bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    Irrelevant, this wasn't an arson, which is why the FDNY didn't investigate it. This was a terrorist attack on the United States of America, the most investigated attack that has ever taken place. So do I expect that the investigation process for Arson would be the same for this attack, no, because I'm not a moron.

    What? You have no idea what you're even talking about.
     
  5. plague311

    plague311 New Member Past Donor

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    Like I said, that 1.5 pounds of thermite doesn't prove anything. The cut isn't big enough to bring down a building, and further more putting thermite on the corner of the building wouldn't do (*)(*)(*)(*). The frame there has already been compromised, and the flowing "whatever it is" isn't cutting anything. You can see it's coming out the side. So IF thermite was placed there then it would be the dumbest place to put thermite in order to bring down a building.

    Also, you guys said aluminum glows silver when it's being poured in the sunlight, that flow is on the shaded part of the building.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point Koko. I've been claiming all along that thermite can only make vertical cuts. It is driven by gravity. Unfortunately for you and your retarded friends, columns are vertical which means you need a HORIZONTAL cut to sever a column. Unless, of course, you wish to start at the top and cut down 110 stories. I wonder how much thermite that would take..... :lol: Koko fails epically once again!
     
  7. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    thanks for reassuring us that it could not have been used to damage or weaken the wtc.

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    I feel much better now
     
  8. plague311

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    Good work on debunking yourself Koko. The display of that cut looks NOTHING like the gif you posted earlier of the "sparks" coming out the side of the building. That is EXTREMELY bright and would blind you if you looked at it. You're trying to say that tons of that stuff went off and it didn't blind downtown NYC?

    Also, how much did he use on that? How did the thermite survive the plane crashes and the ensuing fires? I'll give you a hint, it couldn't have. What used to detonate it? It couldn't be remote, since all the cell phones, first responder radios, etc would have set off those remote detonators. You're going to need more than pretty gif's, you're going to need answers to some pretty serious questions.

    How did they adhere all of the thermite to the steel? How did they ignite it? How did it live through the plane crashes? Why was there no det cord or radio detonators located in the debris? Why didn't any of the firefighters in the buildings, who were communicating with ground bases, report any of these ridiculously bright ignitions going off?

    Can you answer ANY of those questions? No, you can't. you'll do just like Holston and take off or link to some other bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that doesn't provide anything.
     
  9. plague311

    plague311 New Member Past Donor

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    Not to be captain obvious, either, but that's still a vertical cut, that's not horizontal.
     
  10. Kokomojojo

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    so now what are you going to claim?
     
  11. LoneStrSt8

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    Oh yeah,no one noticed that bulky apparatus bolted and clamped to the beams

    Truther,why do they rtely on something out of a rube goldberg dream?
     
  12. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    this is what is called proof of concept NOT professional demolition exhibition day.

    proof of concept means proof that it proves you and patriot are over the top wrong.

    Hell since you want "identical", you provide the budget and I will duplicate the wtc for you and fly planes in it to prove to you "identically" that it wont work!

    Not my fault you are on the wrong side of the argument.

    wow!

    look at that!

    the corner blew out first

    wierd! right after one of those brite whit flashes!

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  13. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No,it's called 'reaching

    In your demonstration youboob video,the light and smoke was constant for a long time during the ignition of the thermite


    It hardly qualifies as a 'flash'




    So 'proof of concept' my ass.
     
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    Congrats, Koko! You managed to show that with a bunch of thermite and a bunch of other equipment you can cut a couple inches into one edge of a beam. Doesn't work on box columns that were several inches thick, does it. :lol: Worse yet, you had 47 columns and 110 stories to do. How does that work again? :lol:
     
  15. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    AGAIN




    Oh I forgot to say proof within "REASONABLE" doubt, not yours or Patriots demonstrated "UNREASONABLE" doubt.

    In which case all bets are off.
     
  16. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Sorry kokoo,facts trump 'reasonable doubt' in this case



    IOW,your scenario doesn't wash.
     
  17. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    sure it dies, I suggest you do a little research on military grade nano thermate and its many variants.

    huh? a real FACT?

    I presume you have debunker facts right?

    I havent seen any debunker facts yet so if you have some please post them!


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    Koko, you never will. You are wittingly blind to facts.
     
  19. plague311

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    Reasonable doubt? Look at the amount of thermite is used to perform a 2 inch cut. If anything you just helped debunk the thermite fantasy. Holston is talking about how easy it is to place a backpack bomb, but you guys are completely ignorant as to the work that is required to place thermite. It would have to be applied to the bare steel column, it can't be done in an elevator shaft or in random spots. There was an extensive process to get it placed on that beam, out in the open. There are no placement containers, they have to be specially made and placed by the person that made them. You can't just hook it up here and hook it up there, ask any demolition team. The reason they use high explosives is because it shatters the metal. Thermite isn't plausible because it requires the beams to be cut, all in unison. Since thermite burns at different speeds depending on it's mixture it would be relatively impossible to be able to have it all finish cutting at the same time. That's why in all your little shows they don't show 2 beams being cut at once, they can't time it at all.

    Drop thermite, it wasn't used, come up with something else.
     
  20. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Nanothermite? <snicker>


    Like I said,your scenario doesn't wash

    Even with the mythical 'nanothermite'


    keep trying koks
     
  21. Kokomojojo

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    like I said there are many variants and grades each with its own purpose.

    the stuff in the clips is back yard homemade thermite, not lab or military grade.

    do yourself a favor and at least read up on it.

    it does make a really nice prep doesnt it!

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    by the time the thermate mostly burns off the office furniture starts and of course the color of the smoke changes. you were paying attention right?

    you sorta gotta get a handle on the easy stuff before you can play with the fun stuff

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    [video=youtube;n5diMImYIIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5diMImYIIA[/video]


    see cuzzzz sooner or later, if it was not thermate you are gonna have to explain the tons upon tons of this:

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    they had a real rust problem didnt they? LOLOL

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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    sigh>steel exposed to heat rusts at an accelerated rate kokoo,crawl under your car and look at the exhaust pipes if you don't believe me
     
  23. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    chump aint buying it

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    and I aint here to teach thermate classes

    but I am sort of having a laugh that you ythink that is rust.

    I was being facetious to see how many fish I could catch :sunnysideup:
     
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    Patriot911 (what happened to being a patriot during peace time as well as before 11 September 2001?),

    If you would have listened to as many eye-witness accounts that I have, you would already know that before the explosions at the top of the two towers, there were explosions heard, felt and witnessed in the basements and sub-basements of the towers. This accounts for one of the reasons there was a molten steel pit in the plaza of the former WTC Complex. Ask the members of the FDNY and other FDs who where there spraying "the pit".

    [video=youtube;kpe1QnjiMos]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpe1QnjiMos[/video]

    [video=youtube;LAJa8eu-6_g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAJa8eu-6_g[/video]

    http://whale.to/b/szy8.html
     
  25. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    `We KNOW where the towers collapsed from,so why would there be explosions in the basements?


    It makes no sense.
     

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