90% Of Women Who Have Had An Abortion Say It Was Right Decision

Back on-topic....

has any "pro-lifer" yet disproved the information in the OP?

 

some women don't survive the birth, some lose limbs, ect... that is why only the women can decide to take the risk either way

but it's easy for some to say they are against abortion.. before and after they have theirs

just think if Andrea Yates had one less child, 4 children may still be alive today...
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Why do we have to disprove it? The one making the claim has to prove it. They are making the absolute factual statement.

The fact is...there is no way this can be proven. Just like there is no way to prove there is no God.

I would like to know as a woman......how you felt after getting an abortion? How did you feel?

Right.....ya can't your male and you have never had one. Who here can share their feelings after they had one?

Wow...nobody but me. That alone is a shocker...since millions of them are done each year. Where are they? I am the only one on this site who has had one?

So using this as an example....it shows there is no possible way to know what the OP is claiming. IMPOSSIBLE.

 

Well I did change my mind. And millions of people change their positions as well over issues...and over what they have done. How many drunk drivers regret the drinks they had the night...the night they might have killed someone? They night they might have slapped their spouse around. Some regret it...some don't. Could I prove that 90% of drivers regret what they did? Or that 90% of drivers didn't regret drinking?

Think there are any drinkers that turn against alcohol?

Have you ever once changed your opinion on something you did?

I made my decision and did not have all the facts. Who knows back then if I would have done it. But women need all the facts.

I regret the abortion I had and I share why I do.

 

Well, well, well I actually agree with you .. however pro-lifers don't share the facts, they do not give women the truth. They only tell them what they think will change their minds.

 

You are misrepresenting my position in this very post.

Previously clarified multiple times. Late term abortion is always for medical reasons, therefore, I support late term abortion. I do not want it to be criminalized.

I have clarified this to you multiple times. No woman has a right to a pba except to save her own life, and that is because, as you know, it is illegal. How can a woman have a right to something that is illegal? It isn't my opinion that it should be illegal, however, and I have made that clear to you.

Not unless you read something into 1 and 2 that isn't there. My position is that abortion laws don't work and are not necessary. I have never said in any post that I want abortion criminalized at any point.

I have never ever said the unborn are not human--you are twisting my words. In #3, I said, "Prove it is "a human." "A human" is a noun, "human" is an adjective, they are not synonymous.

Previously explained multiple times. Stop distorting.

It absolutely does not. I have not ever said that late term laws are needed. You are distorting.

Number 3, " "Prove it is "a human," does not say a fetus is not human. Again, you are twisting and distorting my words.

Where in 1 or 2 did I say I would deny a LTA? It isn't there because it isn't my position. Stop distorting.

Your entire post is a distortion of 1 and 2. I have never said I wanted to criminalize abortion at any point, and that is not what was said in 1 and 2.

 

No, I have consistently said abortion laws don't work and hurt all pregnant women. Stop distorting.

 

You said the things you said, I made an excellent case and you really can't defend it...cause they came from your own mouth.

 

And I agree with you but not completely. We do want to change minds. That is how lives are spared. You damn straight we do. But we do present the facts as we see them.
It is PP that does not want the truth shared. They do not inform women of the truth. They don't want women to see ultrasounds.

 

The same can be said for PP and I have yet to see a PP person standing outside a CPC screaming at the people who go there, neither have I seen people trying to obstruct them going into a CPC which is what pro-life protesters do at PP clinics .. that is wrong, especially when the protesters have no idea for the reason the person is there, for all they know they could be there to pick up low cost contraception.

To impede someone going about their lawful business is wrong and if this were to happen in the UK those protesters would be arrested for obstruction and breach of the peace.

 

do you think we should ban all alcohol cause a few felt bad about things then did under the influence of a mind altering substance

what fact did you need that you did not have?

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exactly, or they could be there to pick up from vitamins to help make sure they are getting all their nutrients for the pregnancy....

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For the 999th time, I have never proposed restricting abortion. Either you are purposely distorting my words, or you have misunderstood them, but I have clarified them to you numerous times, so why do you continue to harass me with these accusations?

The following quote CONFIRMS #1:

I said all late term abortions are for medical reasons, so if I support late term abortions for medical reasons, what abortions would I want to restrict?

Going on to #2, partial birth abortions except for medical reasons are ILLEGAL, so no woman has a right to one. I have never supported that law which takes away women's rights to a safer abortion in some cases.

Now that I have clarified my position numerous times, it won't be necessary for you to continue to harass me with false and off-topic accusations. This thread is not about me.

 

So produce a non-biased study showing "most women regret having an abortion". Simple isn't it?

 

What don't you get Gorn. Do you read anything I post? I said answering this type of question is IMPOSSIBLE. You can't even get a consensus among us about abortion here...because no one other than myself will admit to it.

Common sense and logic would tell you that.....with any traumatic act like this would produce feelings other than joy. How many people regret affairs they have had? ARe you saying none?

The question can never be answered with a exact statistic. But if you stepped out of the pro-choice box and went and stood with me talking to women...at various events...you would see that women regret their abortions and women have suffered.

 

1. Notice what you just admiteed- "You can't even get a consensus among us about abortion here". So....how do you expect to get a nation-wide ban on abortion???

2. "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

3. What WERE those "various events"????

Were they discussion groups with people from BOTH sides of the abortion issue?

Or solely "pro-life" events where everybody agreed with everybody else and nobody said ...a discouragin' word....and the skies were not cloudy....all daaaayyyyy?

 

And for the millionth time....you have.

You said........“No woman has a right to a pba except to save her own life."

And stop it...I am not harrassing you. I am posting what you said, it is you who can't admit it.

SEcondly you can't say only late term abortions are done anywhere...because they are all the time. Our law says no abortion past 24 weeks. There are late term abortion places all over the country. Tiller did them....and the monster who just was convicted out east.

I don't believe in statistics...but these were the ones reported by abortion clinics. There are more than this because this does not account for the ones illegally done.

"United States: In 2003, a total of 848,163 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. From data collected in those areas that sufficiently reported gestational age, it was found that 6.2% of abortions were conducted from 13 to 15 weeks, 4.2% from 16 to 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks. 1.4% of 848,163 means that 11,874 unborn children, at or over the age of 21 weeks, were legally killed in the United States of America in 2003."

So over 11 almost 12 thousand late term abortions were done legally. For what reasons? We don't know.

Our laws say women can abort late term because of health issues...including mental.

Interesting.....

"Late Term Abortion Definition: A late-term abortion is an abortion that is performed after the first tri-mester, and generally considered to be when the woman is between 14 to 24 weeks pregnant, (approximately three to six months)."

"approximately 10% or one in ten abortions performed are late-term, after the first tri-mester"

"risk of the mother's death for abortions between 16 and 20 weeks is one in 29,000"

http://www.winmentalhealth.com/late_term_abortion_information.php

You mean clarified...or change your position?

Fugazi changed positions from against late term to pro-late term any reason.

So do you take back this statement you said then....? “No woman has a right to a pba except to save her own life."

 

Is this your 5th or 6th post in a row to accuse me of meaning something that I have explained repeatedly it does not? That's harrassment. Don't I know what my own words mean, or do you know better than I do what my own words mean? I have clarified quotes that you distorted the meaning of. I have never said abortions should be restricted. It's time to move on.

There are about 4 places in the country that provide late term abortions. Tiller did them legally. He was under constant investigation and no wrongdoing was found. Gosnell was convicted of infanticide, not late term abortion.

If they are already done illegally, do you think passing more laws will stop them? Don't you see that only shows that anti-abortion laws don't work?

I see, if you define late term abortion as "after the first trimester," you get to claim that 10 percent of abortions are late term. Experts disagree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy

If I said women have a right to pba, that would be a lie since it is illegal. It shouldn't be illegal, however, it should be up to a woman's doctor to determine the safest procedures for her.

 

Here are the lead researchers. I get the impression they may know something about what they are doing:

Diana Greene Foster, PhD, is a Demographer and the Principal Investigator of the study. She is evaluating the physical health, mental health and socioeconomic outcomes for women. She will begin to analyze the data on child well-being and development in 2013.

Antonia Biggs, PhD, is a social psychologist. She is analyzing the reasons women have an abortion, the factors associated with delayed discovery of pregnancy, and the mental health consequences of having an abortion compared to being turned away.

Karuna Chibber, DrPH, MHS, is a public health social scientist. She has examined women’s reasons for seeking abortion, focusing specifically on how women articulate their partner’s role in their decision to seek abortion. She is also examining how women’s experiences of intimate partner violence over time are associated with receiving versus being denied an abortion.

Caitlin Gerdts, PhD, MHS, is an epidemiologist. She is contributing to analyses of the socioeconomic and physical health effects of receiving vs. being denied an abortion. She is also contributing to analyses of the effect of receiving vs. being denied an abortion on women’s attitudes towards abortion.

Sarah Roberts, DrPH, is a public health social scientist. She is investigating women’s experiences with tobacco and drugs. In addition, Dr. Roberts is contributing to analysis and writing on several other topics.

Corinne Rocca, PhD, MPH, is an epidemiologist. She is investigating women’s emotional responses to pregnancy, abortion, and unwanted childbearing. She will also analyze data on the measurement and stability of pregnancy intentions in the cohort over time.

Ushma D. Upadhyay, PhD, MPH, is a public health social scientist. Her research is on the prevalence of the “Turnaway problem” in the United States. She is also examining the likelihood of achieving one-year goals among women who received and women who were denied a wanted abortion. Dr. Upadhyay also plans to analyze contraceptive use and risk of subsequent unintended pregnancy among the Turnaway study groups.

Heather Gould, MPH, is the research coordinator for the study. She has examined the counseling practices at the facilities that recruited for the Turnaway Study. She is also collaborating on several of the data projects described above.

http://www.ansirh.org/research/turnaway.php

 

And you are right Anders...but they will never admit to this..because the minute they do...that would be a negative. They have to pretend that abortion is this wonderful solution to everyones problems...and tie that up with a pretty little ribbon. Shhhhh lets keep the truth and the reality quiet.

Of course how many here have had abortions to really know? Lets ask all the women who have had them what they think?

And how many women would come forward? Two on this entire board have admitted to having one. Wow...thats a lot.

 

Which researcher interviewed all the women who have had abortions? I don't care and don't need to read one thing they have written. It is impossible to know with 100% certainty that all women think abortion is the best thing since sliced bread. That this entire group of women never had regrets, never suffered emotional problems....?

You just cut and pasted...a bunch of nothing.

Unless you can give me a list of every women who had an abortion, say since Roe was passed.....and they testified that the abortions they had were great...nothing that they ever thought about later....doesn't matter...not one bit. Interviewing a thousand women....not a large enough group to say anything.

The fact is women wont come forward and the ones who do....that would care to be interviews probably were pro-abort and had no problems...as they were not embarrased.
In January at )our church...(membership around 2500) it is pro-life month. We have people come in to discuss life issues...one being abortion. We tried to get a group of women together to talk about abortion...even share personal experiences...and not many came. I know personally that there are women in the church that have had them but they are afraid to share. They can barely admit to themselves they had one. They want the entire experience to go away. I know women who won't come to hear pastors sermon on this because it is to hard.

So don't feed me the bologna that any study anyone would do would be accurate...they are not.

 

Actually I have already posted research that shows this to be a myth .. perhaps you missed it.

Mean outcome scores

All subjects completed the questionnaires 10 days (T1), six months (T2), two years (T3) and five years (T4) after the pregnancy termination.

 

Being born in 92 only makes you 21/22 so to say that this gives you an insight isn't really true, your formative years would certainly give you an opinion but people don't tend to decide on a issue until they reach an age where bias is not really relevant, had you been 16 and above in the 90's then I would agree that you would have a better insight into it all.

what I find strange is the call of most pro-lifers for equality for all yet they stand against equality for women in so many things outside of abortion, it seems to me that most pro-lifers are placing the fetus at a higher level of equality than the woman and that is always going to be a problem for fetal rights .. two people cannot occupy the same body and have equality, one or the others rights has to suffer, in the case of abortion it is the fetus that suffers and rightly so in my opinion, when weighted against the rights of an individual person (the woman) then the rights of the fetus should always be secondary.

 

You're theory doesn't work because 10% of the participating women did say it was the wrong choice.

David C. Reardon is a quack who has never had training in this field and got his "PhD" from a diploma mill.

 

And all the things you posted were from quacks as well.......justmaking a point they can not make and never will make because this is a question that we never will know the correct answer too. They want abortion legal...and they will manipulate the information they find to fit their bias, their morality.