A Christmas Carol........socialist propaganda?

True, however I am having a difficult time understanding the OP considering what the story says.

 

Accepting taxation which benefits people less fortunate than yourself amounts to the same thing. If conservatives are not against social programs to benefit the poor, disabled and homeless, and if their arguments do not center on the undeservingness of the underprivileged, then they are not unreformed Scrooges.

 

Remember that through most of history, women did not have jobs and completely relied on their husbands. The same still applies to small children. Large parts of today's world still have the same culture, where everybody relies on one or two people, sometimes also including grand parents, siblings, cousins.



This book came before the large scale socialist movement, everybody agreed with the fact that owners made more and more off the backs of more and more people.

 

Are you kidding? To the rich/elite supremacists, this is a despicable story of horror, that starts out a love story about a man and his money. But by the end it it becomes a callous tear buster as the man and his money are separated, and because of it, the spreading of good will and joy, for people who deserve none. YUCK. This story does to the rich/elite supremacists what Old Yeller does to normal people.

 

Okay....then it was the Sumarians we have to blame for the existance of Obama and socialism!

 

Nobody gets me......maybe this whole bit was just way funnier inside my head...

 

If every day were Christmas, there would be no need for government or trade and we'd all be discussing something cooler than politics.

I think we're working toward that, as a species. If you were to chart our progress from animalistic ruthlessness to angelic benevolence, I think it would be sort of a stepladder-looking graph, with plateaus and sudden elevations.

 

Which direction is the latest incarnation of the socially conservative christian party (GOP/Tea Party) taking us on that scale?

 

Fair enough.

I'll assume you're correct for the moment, but I have a different question this time...

How should government be funded, if not by taxation?

 

I think they're fighting to maintain a plateau, but they probably have a different outlook.

 

I tried to get a thread started on the idea of funding the government with bonds instead of taxes, but everybody treated it like the last quarter inch of milk in the bottom of the jug. Nobody wanted any part of that.

 

I wouldn't either.

I prefer taxation myself. I honestly can't think of any better way.

 

Charity turns out to be too sporadic sometimes to be a reliable method as a societal safety net for the truly deserving and needy.

Like public funding for foster parent programs, it should not suffer the whims of teary eyed cable viewers as they get pitched for every other sob story on the planet, or forced to rely on unpredictable church fundraising efforts

 

I love the smell of burning irony in the morning - and you do it so well. Nice joke! I wonder how many will fall for it?

 

Sarcastic tone of voice is hard to convey over the internet.

 

But he was an absolute socialist of course - but then, there are very few Christians in America. Mammon rules, ok?

 

Thank you Leo, and I also had another, more subtle, point to make.

I was trying to see if people might realize that if Scrooge were alive today...the type of spin dispensed by conservative media would have many Christian social conservatives easilly convinced that Scrooge was the victim of class warfare.

Imagine if I wrote it Bill O'Reilly style...

Ebenezer Scrooge of Tampa Florida has become the latest vicitim of Obama's class warfare.

Scrooge, a small businessman and job creator, was bullied by his ungrateful employees into being required to furnish the families of his low income employees with extravagent Christmas dinners.

Inside sources at Scrooge and Marley told The Factor that the betrayal of Scrooge was lead by Bob Cratchit, one of the most highly paid employees, in which Cratchit, somehow manipulated, or possibly even blackmailed Scrooge into taking profits neccessary for investment and job growth, and spending those funds on a decadent feast, and presents for the Cratchits.

Unamed sources at Scrooge and Marley stated they fear for the growth of the firm, and the uncertainty will surely affect the amount of job growth in the firm.

The Factor is monitoring this outrageous infringment on the freedom and liberty of small business owners in the US, and we'll keep you posted.

 

Now that's funny!!!

 

Have any of you all ever read a Christmas Carol or Great Expectations or Oliver Twist or a Tale of Two cities?

I suspect NOT.

 

Many times, Margot.

 

Goldwater, you must get clear in your head that Americans are not supposed to do irony. Don't confuse people!

 

I wasn't speaking of you, dear.

 

You say that as if it has some hidden message or something??

 

LOLOLOL .. have you read Dickens at all?

 

I appreciate your posts Morgot, and find them to be sober and lucid with regularity, regardless of the nonesense whirling around them from other posters.

But as far as the point I'm trying to make...it's really way more about how conservative media spins conceptions today, especially in the US.

I haven't read Dickens. I've only seen the many cinematic and theatrical versions created since 1930 or so, and I think reading the original Dickens is in order for me.......