I start of with this chapter because it is very relevant to our world today, but, really, I endorse the guy and the group who have taken the liberty of doing what our schools aren't...educating people on pretty much the whole of history as this spans from the very beginning to the very present in a much more entertaining fashion. This is probably one of the most unbiased sources you will find (and in the lessons, you actually learn about the concept of biased-but-official history). If you are willing not to immediately downplay actual information as "propaganda" than perhaps start here. If you develop a love for history as I have, feel free to continue from the first video. But I highly recommend this gem of a sight, if not for you then your kids. [video=youtube;TpcbfxtdoI8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpcbfxtdoI8&feature=fvwrel[/video]
History is one of those things I feel an increased knowledge of- outside of bias- would serve to enlighten people as to many of the reasons behind things today. Really, you DO NOT have to go back even a hundred years for that. In modern times, there are plenty of examples if you refuse to take sides and look at things completely objectively, but also with empathy. Right now I am self-studying into the Middle-East which has led me to self-study all of history because the beautiful thing about it is that you both realize how narrow and marginalized history is growing up in America to the vast exclusion of literally great and inspiring people you never hear about except through the questionable "facts". You can get lost in so much facts- dizzying wrong and right- and so the videos concision was a god-send....though you still need to fact-check...URRRRRGH!!! ^ Albert Di Salvo, I'm not sure why you disliked the post and declined an explanation, but history tells me I already know the answer.
Thanks for the crash course, Albert can be safely ignored. He's too deeply entrenched , a mind securely shut against any new information. LOL .....
Albert is well known for flagging dislikes to any forms of comment, debate or information, no matter how valid or well-founded, which jostle his sacred cows. My thanks also for Crash Course.
Cake this is a very good documentary to watch. It was made by the BBC and very informative. [video=youtube;5-8nONNli6U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-8nONNli6U[/video]
Go read Emperor Hadrian, Go read, Titus, Vespasianus , go read the Jewish War by G. A, Williamson, A History of the Jewish people by H. H. Ben-Sasson... Judea Weeping by George C. Brauer, Jr. I will not dare tell you to read the anals of Jewish History... To come here as an authority and pretend that i.e. the Holocaust never happened puts you in the same category as Ahmedinejad. Adios. Do not do anything special, do not strain yourself just GOOGLE perhaps someone will straighten you up. And the big pretender, the 'Myth maker extraordinary' and Namibia, I say simply that a country is recognized by its History and Archeology... A few Elephant bones in Namibia does not constitute an ancient country... You cannot compare a people that is alive and well and flourishing a people that can account for 3000 years of history to a few Elephant bones...Every day you reveal your historical acumen or the lack of...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora#Dispersion_of_the_Jews_in_the_Roman_Empire Roman destruction of Judea Main article: Jewish-Roman wars See also: Iudaea province In Rome the Arch of Titus still stands, depicting the enslaved Judeans and objects from the Temple being brought to Rome. Roman rule which began in 63 BCE continued until a revolt from 66–70 CE culminated in the capture of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple, the centre of the national and religious life of the Jews throughout the world. Exactly when Roman Anti-Judaism began is a question of scholarly debate, however historian H.H. Ben-Sasson has proposed that the "Crisis under Caligula" (37–41) was the "first open break between Rome and the Jews".[7] The complete destruction of Jerusalem, and the settlement of several Greek and Roman colonies in Judea indicated the express intention of the Roman government to prevent the political regeneration of the Jewish nation. Nevertheless, forty years later the Jews put forth efforts to recover their former freedom. With Israel exhausted, they strove to establish commonwealths on the ruins of Hellenism in Cyrene, Cyprus, Egypt, and Mesopotamia. These efforts, resolute but unwise, were suppressed by Trajan (115–117 CE), and under Hadrian the same fate befell the attempt of the Jews of Israel to regain their independence (133–135 CE). From this time on, in spite of unimportant movements under Antoninus, Marcus Aurelius, and Severus, the Jews, reduced in numbers, destitute, and crushed, lost their preponderance in the Jewish world. Jerusalem had become, under the name "Ælia Capitolina", a Roman colony and entirely pagan city. Jews were forbidden entrance on pain of death, except for the day of Tisha B'Av, see also Anti-Judaism in the Roman Empire. Despite the decree, there has been a continual Jewish presence in Jerusalem for 3,300 years, and 43 Jewish communities in Israel remained in the 6th century: 12 on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and 31 villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. Yavne on the coastal plain, associated with Yochanan ben Zakai, was an important center of Rabbinic Judaism.[8] Dispersion of the Jews in the Roman Empire See also: History of the Jews in the Roman Empire Following the 1st century Great Revolt and the 2nd century Bar Kokhba revolt, the destruction of Judea exerted a decisive influence upon the dispersion of the Jewish people throughout the world, as the centre of worship shifted from the Temple to Rabbinic authority. Many Jews entered the Diaspora as slaves, after the destruction of the Temple. Evidence for Jews in the Diaspora is scanty, until the fourth century. Presumably, many of these slave populations served as the basis of later communities[citation needed]. While more Jews lived outside Judea than in,[citation needed] the Romans did not distinguish between Jews inside and outside of Judea. They collected an annual temple tax, thereby treating all Jews as a distinct ethno-national group. Communities in Egypt, Libya and Crete revolted in 115–117 CE, which likely decimated the Jewish Diaspora population. The Christian empire continued the punishment, by which time the church fathers and imperial law argued that, not only were the Jews a distinct, reprehensible ethno-national group, they were a group largely exiled or dispossessed of temple, city and land, for their rejection of Christ, a state it was deemed in which they were to remain in perpetuo. This notion evolved even though substantial numbers of Jews lived in the land, now under increasingly harsh imperial Roman Christian law, further alienating and marginalizing Jews, and favouring the settlement of largely gentile Christians, of culturally pagan Greco-Roman or Aramaic provenance. It was in this period that Judea became normatively known as Syria Palestina, a name reflecting both the large scale killing of the suppression of the 2nd Jewish revolt, and a Roman policy, pagan, then Christian, to further alienate Jews from the land, ensuring that no Jewish temple, Jerusalem or state ever rose again. During this time the Talmudic thesis of a Jewish people in exile evolved, even as Imperial Christian degrees laid further burdens of taxation, discrimination and social exclusion on Jews in the land and without. Over the centuries, rather than a few individual events, Jews were eroded into a minority in their historical patria, while the rabbis "Judaized" Judaism, by prescribing only the Hebrew Bible as authoritative, and Hellenistic-Jewish literature, culture and discourse declined sharply from the 2nd century, not only from Imperial Roman suppressions, but also Christian appropriation of the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, as its authorized version. Through internal and external pressures, the two communities, Greco-Roman and Jewish, diverged, the former becoming universally Christian, and, in time, self-defined as "Roman", when the emperor granted citizenship to all, and "Greek" became in patristic discourse synonymous with "pagan". It would enter Arabic, Islamic discourse as "Rumi", the Quranic term for "Roman" or "belonging to the Roman Empire". In the meanwhile, the meme of a Jewish people in exile entered normative mediaeval Jewish, Christian and, in time, Islamic thought and discourse, when Muhammed would address the Jews of Makkah and Madinah as though they themselves had been expelled from the land, twice, by the servants of Allah, as a punishment for their rejection of Jesus and the prophets. Experts have rejected the popular belief that there was a sudden expulsion of Jews from Palestine in 70 AD that led to the creation of the Diaspora and agree that modern Jewish ancestry owes as much to converts from the first millennium to the beginning of the Middle Ages as it does to the Jews of antiquity. While the myth of exile from Palestine is dismissed by serious Jewish historical scholarship, the destruction of the second temple was responsible for a seismic change in communal Jewish self-perception and of their place in the world. For the generations that followed the event came to represent a fundamental insight about the Jews who were to become an exiled and persecuted people for much of their history.
Thank you for the backing... I did not do anything special, I just follow history to a 'T'... To make a general statement of the like of Margot's, is the most ignorant statement that has been displayed on an open forum, not only that, but this is so laughable it is not funny. Any person who has gone to school knows about 'the ROMAN EMPIRE', anyone that had been impressed by their history has collected Roman Coins JUDAEA CAPTA COINS
We were discussing Palestine so I presume you still are. Many thanks for confirming that there was no country called Namibia but that it is now, nonetheless, universally accepted. So, given your own acceptance, your point that there never was a country called Palestine is .... uhm .... what exactly?
All I need to know is that religious people have caused more problems in the world than I care for, and for that reason I would prefer all religion be abandoned.
I must admit, Margot, that I have never questioned the reality of the Jewish diaspora. But having read HBendor's reference I do now see how little evidence there is for it (points up at the red, and especially the purple highlights above). I mean, it says that the evidence for the diaspora is scanty; that there was a political attack on the Jewish nation, not a physical ethnic cleansing; and then finally of course comes the admission that "experts have rejected the popular belief that there was a sudden expulsion of the Jews from Palestine in 70 AD that lead to the diaspora." Well, what did? And when it refers to their exile there are no references to archaeological support. They are sort of spoken about in the passive tense. And the best direct references are couched in such weird language that one starts wondering anew: I mean what on earth is "the Talmudic thesis of a Jewish people in exile" and even worse "the meme of a Jewish people in exile". Webster definition: Meme - "usage that spreads from person to person within a culture". Sounds like the classic definition of a MYTH to me. In fact, it says so in HBendor's reference: "the myth of exile from Palestine is dismissed by serious Jewish historical scholarship." So why did their numbers decrease if there was in fact no physical expulsion? The purple highlight tells us all we need to know: "modern Jewish ancestry owes as much to converts from the first millennium to the beginning of the Middle Ages as it does to the Jews of antiquity". Could the decrease have been due to conversions to Christianity? Just when you think "now's where they will be physically tossed out", they aren't, and up until the 6thC they were still there all over the place. And then it goes quiet. What happened to them in the 6thC? I suspect that I know. A second major conversion, that's what. And all of that in Hbendor's evidence. I wonder if he read it.
Lots of the Jews just left to go elsewhere as they could not fit in. Some actually tried to fit in and there was an operation to reverse circumcision that was used by some Jews. I did see a very interesting program on the subject about these things happening.
Good documentary on religion by John Romer includes pieces on the Jews living in Roman/Greek Palestine. This is part one and the whole series is on youtube [video=youtube;pCgA1-XLA9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCgA1-XLA9c[/video]
I've studied history for more than half a century. Your views are superficial. That's why they don't find me welcoming.
The diaspora actually began after the Babylonian exile.. You can read why in the book of Nehemiah. That's why there were laarge Jewish populations in Alexandria, north Africa, in Rome and Anatolia 200 years before Christ.
