A new poll shows 52% of Republicans actually think Trump won the popular vote

Nope. It's taken many years and many court rulings to get to where marriage is now. Wasn't all that long ago that people couldn't marry a different race. Now, unconstitutional same sex marriage bans are also in the bigot dust bin of American history.

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Can't vote away rights of others. That's why the initiative doesn't exist any more.

The court exists to apply the constitution. The constitution doesn't permit ballot initiatives to take away citizens rights.

More Americans preferred Clinton over trump.

 

It has taken a few years to change the definition of marriage - for no good reason. Nullification of elections, the constitution, and the democratic process was fast and easy. All it took was a united corrupt political class and enough concentrated central government power.

 

Freedom and liberty is always a good reason. I don't know why conservatives hate both so much.

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The constitution was upheld. You've never been able to vote away rights in a ballot initiative.

Huh? The 14th amendment prevents ballot initiatives to take away peoples rights.

 

You apparently misjudge me, as I am not at all "angry."

Disgusted, yes.

But angry, no.

You are not interacting, here, with "people" in general; but with me, specifically.

So please do not imply that I have claimed that "2/3 of Americans" voted against Hillary Clinton.

To imply that I have ever claimed that "2/3 of Americans rejected [Hillary] Clinton" is, indeed, to set up a straw man, to (rather easily) knock over...

 

Translation: i'll believe whatever I want, facts be damned. Welcome to the new right.

 

Donald Trump did win the popular vote...in 30 states, which got him an electoral college win, which is how
you win the presidency, which apparently, most undereducated democrat party voters do not know this.

Donald Trump actually won the popular vote in 49 states plus the District of Columbia when you exclude
California. Liberal idiots in California don't get to pick the president. That is the way the system works
even if low information democrats do not know this.

Take away all the illegal votes and Donald Trump most likely did win the popular vote as well. I'm sure
there were at least 3 million fraudulent votes cast by the democrats. That's the way they role.

 

Technically, this is correct.

But I scarcely regard California with any respect; and the other 49 states, taken together, voted for Donald Trump. (For more on this, please see the OP.)

 

Ok, so long as you concede Clinton received more votes than trump then we are all good.

Not sure why you are engaging me then if not to dispute Clinton receiving more votes.

 

Lol, trump received less votes than Clinton. Trump most certainly did not win 49 states plus D.C.

And what evidence do you have illegals voted for Clinton?

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Not technically, factually.

Geography is irrelevant. More Americans voted for Clinton, than trump.

 

Trump received the popular vote in 30 states, Clinton received the popular vote in only 20.



Clinton won the national vote by 3 million and in California by 4 million. Take away California, and
Trump won the popular vote in 49 states plus the District of Columbia. Get it? I know, math is hard.

The fact that we have millions of them here in my state alone, that we gave them drivers licenses and
Obama told all of the illegal aliens that it was legal for them to go out and vote. That is my evidence.

We don't have 11 million illegal aliens, we have at least 25 million to 30 million illegal aliens in this country.

Did 3 or 4 million of them vote? You bet they did. What's to stop them? They even did surveys that show
that a good percentage of them voted.

30 million multiplied by 13% is 3.9 million illegal alien votes cast, and that's not counting the legal aliens who voted as well!

 

Correct. And Clinton received more votes than trump.

Yes, if you remove Clinton votes, I agree she would have less votes. Trump did not win 49 states

That isn't evidence.

You can't substantiate this claim.

Where is your evidence illegals voted fom Clinton?

You have no evidence any illegals voted for Clinton.

 

Fact-check: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election?
Rated FALSE.

One would have to be born-again stupid to delude oneself that undocumented aliens are voting in our election. Heck, we can even get vast number of eligible citizens to either
register to vote or those who are registered to even vote.

 

That's not an argument...It's just contradiction.

[video=youtube;kQFKtI6gn9Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y[/video]

 

Oh I would say at least 3 million, maybe more. Maybe 4 million. We will never know because of all the
voting fraud that takes place. We need voter ID in all 50 states and cross checking nationally to make
sure that people aren't voting in multiple states like we know the democrats have been caught doing
repeatedly.

 

How about documenting cases of voter fraud by foreigners, which you cannot do.

Study Finds No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud - NBC News
Republicans and the Myth of Election Fraud - The New York Times

The main voter fraud in this country is being committed by Republicans through
voter suppression tactics. Hmmm.....maybe here in California we should turn the
tables on Republicans through gerrymandered voter suppression laws that greatly
effect Republicans. All Republicans can only vote in one city (Taft), between 1 am to 2 am,
with only one broken down voting machine available with no extentions after 2 am.

 

That is hardly a major admission.

Would you care to read, again, the OP (which sets forth exactly how many votes each candidate received)?

 

Rather predictably, you have ignored an important portion of what I said. So please allow me to say it again:

"But I scarcely regard California with any respect; and the other 49 states, taken together, voted for Donald Trump." (For more on this, please see the post #534 in this thread.)

The margin for Hillary Clinton in "The Land of Fruits and Nuts"--almost 4.3 million votes--suggests to me that some on the left believe that California (which usually votes for the leftmost candidate) should be allowed, just by itself, to determine our presidential winner.

What liberals really do not like, however, is the fact that our Founders set up a system that obviates any possibility of an enormous state's determining the winner in this manner. (Of course, it is called the Electoral College.)

 

Did Trump win this election? I thought Roger Ailes (the program director for FOX News, and former Nixon publicity manager) won it. "Fair and Balanced" - right? With Roger's well-coordinated anger inciting, Obama-bashing, rhetoric and lies; Kermit the Frog could have won.

 

Wise Californians!

 

Lol, no. It's a statement of fact. Clinton received more votes than trump.

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Trump did not win 49 states.

And are you calling trump a liberal?

 

Then why are you unable to offer any explanation for how the 14th amendment was violated. Telling.

No rights were voted away. Elections are now nullified and the constitution ignored to satisfy the arbitrary and capricious pop PC whims of what brands itself as a "progressive" movement. Voters are now routinely disenfranchised by a corrupt political class in total disregard for the constitution and democratic process and the will f the people.

 

I gave you the courts ruling. Read it, don't read it. I don't care. The initiative doesn't exist any,ore, as it was unconstitutional.

Excepts marriage rights.

You seem confused. The initiative was unconstitutional. Citizens aren't permitted to vote away the rights of other citizens. The 14th amendment precludes this.

The constitution says otherwise.

 

No rights were voted away. Marriage rights had nothing to do with it. An election was nullified, and the voters of California were disenfranchised by a corrupt entrenched political class operating above the law and in defiance of the constitution.

The political class now fears elections, the constitution and the will of the people. Hence this and other attacks on the democratic process.

 

Demonstrably false. Marriage was. That's why it was overturned.


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It was the central point, lol

The election wasn't valid. Voters can't vote away the rights of others. The constitution precludes this.

The democratic process doesn't allow citizens to take away rights of fellow citizens, via ballot initiatives. That's why the ballot initiative no longer exists.

 

Yo have yet to describe how any right was at risk. Marriage was certainly not an issue.