A question for atheists?

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  1. stroll

    stroll New Member

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    The position of doubt is the rational, reasonable one in the face of lack of evidence.
     
  2. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Evidence of what??
     
  3. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    That makes so much sense I left in awe and unable to comprehend what you just said.

    Meh.
     
  4. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Then sleep on it tonight.... it might sink in or otherwise be absorbed by some process akin to osmosis.
     
  5. stroll

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    "HIM", the one with the dangly bits between its legs.
    The one and only GOD you confessed to worship beyond reason and without evidence.
     
  6. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    "HIM" is not the correct name either. When you can come up with the correct name, then we can about my God; until then, you simply are stuck out in the ozone someplace.
     
  7. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    I believe you are looking for "Maynard" as a proper reference.
     
  8. Incorporeal

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    Wrong again... so that leaves you also out in the ozone some place.
     
  9. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Maybe I'll land at Red Rocks and save some driving time.
     
  10. Neutral

    Neutral New Member Past Donor

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    Atheism is not doubt, it is certainty.
     
  11. Neutral

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    THat is interesting, because the Buddhist Monks I met in Asia - consider themselves Buddhists - not atheists.

    It's atheists striving to pull Buddhists into atheism, not the other way around, and I too have seen the articles that make this claim - from atheists - not Buddhists.

    And Buddhists are no threat - Satanists ARE.

    As atheists attempt to pull Buddhists into atheism, why do you think Satanists attempt to pull atheism into Satanism? To make their beliefs actually atheism?
     
  12. Neutral

    Neutral New Member Past Donor

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    Well, we all view atheism as just a bunch of angry, delusional jackasses.

    Unfortunately for atheists, only one side is right. (That'd be us).

    If you are going to crap on people, expect crap back.
     
  13. Neutral

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    Can I get a super victim cape for the youngin'?

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  14. Neutral

    Neutral New Member Past Donor

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    Well then B, what are you going to do about it?

    Rules of behavior (Satanism):
    - Prayer is useless; it distracts people from useful activity.

    - Ritual killing (of humans or animals) violates Satanic principles. Blood drawn from a victim is useless. Victims are killed symbolically, not actually.

    - Members enjoy indulgence instead of abstinence. They practice with joy all the seven deadly Christian sins (greed, pride, envy, anger, gluttony, lust and sloth)

    - If a man smites you on one cheek, smash him on the other.

    - Do unto others as they do onto you. This is the CoS' modified version of an Ethic of Reciprocity.

    - Engage in sexual activity:
    Freely, in accordance with your needs, which may be best realized either through monogamy, or by having sex with many others.

    Through heterosexuality, homosexuality or bisexuality; using sexual fetishes as you wish.

    By yourself or with one or more consenting adults.

    The ideal is a monogamous relationship based on compatibility and commitment.


    - Suicide is actively discouraged.

    - The Satanist needs no elaborate, detailed list of rules of behavior.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis10.htm

    How much of that is in perfect alignment with the things you see preached right here on this forum everyday? How much of the anti-religious nonsense has its roots in Satanism rather than atheism?

    Quite frankly, you do not need religion at all to conclude there is no God, the evidential trail leading to a no God conclusion is one that can be made with no referrence to religion at all. In fact, by referring to religion to base that arguement AT ALL, you acknoweldge that there is a solid case to be made in religion. Hence the need to rebut (if atheists can make it past the first few chapters?)

    And yet, we see emerging traits in atheism that are in stark and growing alliance with the values and conclusions of Satanism. Atheism, honest atheism, is many things - it is not the active worship of the father the lies and his illusions and attacks on God.

    And yet, as a growing organziation, you have Satanists targeting your organizations and inserting their messages with no protective measures to remove them or sort the wheat from the chaff.

    THat should alarm all honest atheists. Because it IS happening.
     
  15. Neutral

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    How? How would a man who is publically professing to be an atheist, but was really a Satanists be a threat to religion?
     
  16. FreeWare

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    Normally, these articles would make all the difference. Except to your adversary it's not about that.

    Absolute truth cannot be handled through rational argument but it can be discussed as a phenomenon using rational argument. To the one holding the absolute truth as part of a belief system this is often seen as an attack on his personal beliefs.

    Therefore that person will often try to establish a response to match the "attack" but since his truth gives no cause to rational argument by itself, the response will always be directed at anything else. In this case, the response is the most simple of all, namely, to attack the very "monster" that is "attacking" him, rationality. Thereby saying that anything anyone can say about an absolute truth rests on nothing but a desire to make excuses. Or the exact the same as another, frequently used response: "it's only your opinion".

    So one can offer all the best philosophical discourses in existence; it has no effect because it's not about that. It's about holding on tooth and claw to absolute truth.
     
  17. Neutral

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    Unfortunately, thise articles cannot make a difference based on what you claim.

    Because atheists, up and down this forum, state that there is no doctrine for atheism. And yet, when pressed, will continuously point to these sources to explain what atheism is. Yet when we dig into them and find many of the same faults that atheists find with religion in their own sources .... well, no atheist actually believes these things - only some do, and usually not even the atheists that list these things in the first place.

    You claim absolute truth, but it is noticeably absent atheist examinations of God. There is no iron clad defense of any position on God - and yet, here we have, once again, an atheist assuring us that there position is truth because .... we'll tell you later.

    We also have that distinctive flavor of atheism, which is not only a foggy definition, but a definement in contrast with something else, a pot shot sent to those who ask questions of atheism and demand that very truth and clarity you claim as a birth right of atheism.

    If it is truth, it can be explained. And when people ask questions of atheism and are treated to a response of, "I hate you and you are (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag," that does not strike me as something that is based upon or in search of truth.
     
  18. yardmeat

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    I'm talking about undercover Satanists infiltrating religious organizations in the same manor as you are suggesting that they have infiltrated atheist organizations.
     
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    Why would athiests all need to be on the same page? I would hope no one would tell me to get on the same page as my fellow theists.
     
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    I'm not going to do anything. Satanists may be targeting atheist organizations, but those organizations aren't mine.
     
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    You're confused because you think atheists care about the same crap you care about. They don't care.
     
  22. Neutral

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    Atheists remain human.
     
  23. Neutral

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    There is little doubt of it. Why has modern atheism taken such a lurch toward anti-religion? It didn't always preach that religion was the cause of the world's evil, and after Marxism blew up, such militancy took a back seat. Why now?

    Why are there so many similarities? Why are they showing up in the meeting you attend? How many of the anti-God rants have a basis in Satanism rather than atheism?

    Most impoatntly, what protective measures do atheist organization have in place to prevent this infilitration? To prevent the debasement of atheism? Just your word that it is not happening?

    Atheism is the belief in no God.

    Satanism is the active belief in an acknoweldged evil power whose sole intent is to undermine the religions of a God they deem valid. (I realize what they say publically, but when they say publically that Satan is just a force of nature with no connection to Christian religion .... but we call it Satan anyway .... there is a reason we call him the father of lies.)

    I am quite certain that the young men who joine dthe Nazi Party out of a legtimate pride in Germany and a desire to restore it were probably shocked to find themselves on the Eastern front killing people in droves and rounding up innocent people for slaughter?

    Was it any different for your Russians who joined the communist party to overthrow what was a decidedly autocratic system, who suddenly found themselves murderering people in the name of a Revolution that was actually putting an even worse tyrannt in control?

    So the question is, as an atheist - a legitimate one - will or are you surprised to see the atheist community preaching things that are in lock step accordance with Satanism?

    Again, this is why we have accepted epistles. This is why we have doctrine. This is why we have Smeinaries to train people in the faith and its truth. This is why we estabished systems to ensure accountability. Even then, we have those who slip in with ill intent, from the Catholic Churches molestation issues to David Koresh - people with ill intent still get in and do damage.

    What safeguards do atheists have? What bad influences are currently entering atheist communities?

    Again, I have seen the disemmbling nonsense that makes up the Jesus Myth, and I tell you again quite clearly, that the force that drives that mean spirited nonsense is not atheism. An atheist does not care, or can acknowledge that, although they do not believe Jesus was the Son of God, that the historical record (as all period historians agree) is obvious in its conclusion to the historical record of Jesus. It takes something well beyond reason, well beyond doubt, to adopt a mantel of expertise, one greater than period scholars despite a near universal lack of study, to attack the basis of someone else faith ... even worse, to continue to excuse and even lie after the evidential record is laid bear .... that takes something well beyond the simple conclusion that there is no God.

    If that something is not Satanism, what is it?
     
  24. Bow To The Robots

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    A Satanist could not call himself an atheist if he wanted to describe himself accurately. Satan is a deity like any other. As we can not prove or disprove his/her/its existence one way or another, belief or worship would constitute theism. The article is wrong.
     
  25. Neutral

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    He's called the father of lies for a reason. I don't really think a Satanist is too concerned with his 'faith' being construed as inaccurate. As long as it undermines God - its good.

    And, as we see, that effort has lead them in the past few dacades to call themselves atheists and agnostics. What does that mean to you as an atheist?
     

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