A question for white nationalists. How will you achieve your goals?

Yes. It has made us more moral if nothing else.

America is superior to every other nation that has ever existed. Including nations with a higher concentration of white people, that have existed far longer. Do you think that is an accident?

A culture in which white racists are the majority.

The thread is making a premise and asking a question. That is the point.

Technically, you already are. Most white people in the US are not 100% white, and even among those that are, the ones that share your ideology are a tiny minority. White racists have not been a majority for several generations now.

The OP would have to be a white racist in order to be self loathing.

Race and ideology are not the same thing. Many white racists still do not get this. The genetic origins of an individual do not necessarily define their ideology.

Rubbing our success in the faces of white racists is an end unto itself. I, for one, find it gratifying.

A little late for that. We already won generations ago. it is why you no logner see openly racist politicians anywhere...even in the most racist parts of the nation. They are a tiny minority and know full well they would be persecuted should they ever reveal themselves.

And rightly so. They have no morally redeeming qualities. Everyone hates them except other white racists. Thats why they make the most satisfying villains in fiction.

 

This isn't something new either. It's been going on for years. Why isn't it being reported better?

Racist Mexican Gangs "Ethnic Cleansing" Blacks In L.A.
Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, January 22, 2007

Racist Mexican gangs are indiscriminately targeting blacks who aren't even involved in gang culture, as part of an orchestrated ethnic cleansing program that is forcing black people to flee Los Angeles. The culprit of the carnage is the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos, and is being bankrolled by some of the biggest Globalists in the U.S.

A story carried on the liberal website Alternet, charts an explosion in brutal murders of blacks by Hispanic street gangs in L.A. Far from being gang on gang violence, the Latinos are targeting innocent blacks in accordance with a concerted ethnic cleansing campaign that seeks to eradicate all blacks from Hispanic neighborhoods.

In one instance, 21-year-old Anthony Prudhomme was shot in the face with a .25-caliber semi-automatic while lying on a futon inside his apartment, slain by a Latino gang known as the Avenues as part of a racist terror campaign in which gang members earn "stripes" for each black person they kill.

In one typical case," writes journalist Brentin Mock, "Three members of the Pomona 12 attacked an African-American teenager, Kareem Williams, in his front yard in 2002. When his uncle, Roy Williams, ran to help his nephew, gang member Richard Diaz told him, "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s have no business living in Pomona because this is 12th Street territory." According to witnesses, Diaz then told the other gang members, "Pull out the gun! Shoot the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s! Shoot the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s!"

The fatwah against blacks began in the mid-nineties, with a 1995 LAPD report concluding that Latinos had vowed to "Eradicate black citizens from the gang neighborhood." In a follow up report on the situation in east Los Angeles, the LAPD warned that "Local gangs will attack any black person that comes into the city."

The author notes that since 1990 the African-American population of Los Angeles has halved, partly as a result of rampant illegal immigration and that there are noticeably fewer blacks walking the streets because many have been forced to relocate in fear of the racist gangs.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/220107mexicangangs.htm

 

But you just said you were Scotch-Irish. When I made a post about Jews, you responded as one ("Thanks for the compliment..."). Kind of a weird thing to do for someone who identifies so neutrally.

If I made a random post about Jews, not directed towards you, why would you respond with "Thanks for the compliment"?

Sure they can. Why couldn't they?

 

If White Nationalist ideology is really that weak, maybe it was not meant to survive.

You are contradicting yourselves. You can't claim superiority and then whine about how everyone else is beating you up.

 

How does having less white people make us "more moral"? What is immoral about whites, specifically?

Why wasn't it a superior country to every other nation that has ever existed back when it was populated with Native Americans and mestizos?

So white people have no culture aside from being racist?

You seem to rely on morality a lot in your posts and never quite deal with the problem that morality is relative and subjective. 60 years ago someone who dated someone from another race would have been "persecuted" and the morally correct position would be to stay with one's own race.

But then again, someone who wishes to have less of his own people in society in order to make it more "moral" is obviously suffering from a type of self-loathing that probably defies any kind of typical morality, anyway. That's why he has to get his view of what's good in the world from TV and movies, which is not uncommon for a progressive.

 

I simply discount this drivel entirely and have a laugh at the expense of those promoting whatever idiocy white pride or white power is.

Is it cheap, disrespectful behaviour?

Sure thing. Sue me.

 

Things naturally go from order to disorder. Just because disorder inevitably wins out doesn't mean it is superior or preferable to order.

 

How many "pure" white people will be left to form tribes?

 

It's not weird at all, given that your views on race are already well known to me. I'm just trying to speak your language. If you asked ME to identify or classify someone, I would use the traditional biological designation "human". But that is not how you think, you classify people into racial groups like "white" and "black" and "Jew". I'm trying to ascertain the reasoning behind your racial categorization system, and in order to do so, I have to speak in terms that you will understand, which is why I put "Jew" and "Scotch-Irish" in quotes earlier.

Just being sarcastic.

I don't know. That's why I'm asking you to define "Jew" for me, so that I can understand who is and is not a Jew. But you refuse to answer the question, probably because you cannot adequately explain your position on racial categorizations.

 

How did you determine it is not preferable?

Who is forcing white people not to breed with each other or to breed less? What is that if not preference?

 

Nothing is immoral about any race. I reject your premise that races have an intrinsic morality.

White racists have a history of immorality in this nation. White racism is intrinsically immoral. Other forms of racism might also be immoral, but we know for sure white racism in particular is immoral.

Native Americans and Mestizons have never been a majority in the United States.

"White people" have no culture. There has never been a general white culture, even in Europe.

There have been many different cultures where whites were predominant. But there has never been a singular white culture. Anywhere.

Which morality is superior is not subjective. Nature does not recognize excuses. The strong dominate and thrive. The weak submit or die. It works the same with ideologies.

White racism is clearly not strong...they started from an entrenched position, and still failed to thrive. And their followers complain constantly about how unfair it is that everyone else beats up on them. That is not something you would expect from a superior ideology.

I guess that depends on how you define "his own people", now doesn't it?

You would equate that with race. Most other people would not. You are the minority in your opinion.

 

You wouldn't have responded in the way you responded if you didn't, on some level, identify as a Jewish person.

Humans naturally group things in order to make sense of the world. Race is included in this process. Babies have a preference for people who look like their parents. It's natural. As someone who is still in Academia, you haven't yet left an environment where you are bombarded daily with progressivism, so I kind of understand your adherence to the idea that natural human behavior is not educated and enlightened enough for the kind of society that progressives wish to establish. The problem is, it's not realistic to suspect human behavior to change just because of an elitist view coming out of the halls of Academia.

See above.

A "Jew" is a Jewish person. Someone who has Jewish ancestry. You've claimed to have Jewish ancestry in the past, and your comments in this thread indicate that you identify as Jewish, so what you're really trying to do is to start another word game, which is your standard MO when playing defense. Iriemon's back, I'm sure he can offer what you're looking for.

 

If it were really natural, you would not have the problems with interracial breeding that you do. If it were really natural, you would not need laws to keep people separate...they would just do it on their own.

So clearly there are some variables here that you are missing. There are clearly other reasons for people to form groups than mere race.

 

Why would disorder be preferable to order? My car will eventually fall apart and not work anymore. Does that mean that broken down cars are superior to ones that run great? Or are you just unwilling to see the fallacy inherent in your argument?

It's a combination of many things, including Government policy. Whites are the ones paying the majority of the welfare bill being incurred at a disproportionately high rate by minorities. Combine this with the fact that the US is going to be majority non-white in the future and it can motivate whites to go without having children. Who wants to live in a minority area, sending their kids to school where they are vastly outnumbered by racial groups who have been taught to hate them?

 

BTW....


Told ya.

Thanks, Brew.

 

You said having less whites makes for a more moral society. This would imply that whites have a certain amount of immorality, or that the other races have a certain amount of morality. There's no way your statement even makes sense if morality wasn't attributed to race in some way.

Just for those following along, I'm sure they'll feel reassured in your arguments knowing that Sadistic-Savior believes that the following might be immoral, also.

[video=youtube;nIrKtoHYPsE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIrKtoHYPsE[/video]

This entire continent was comprised of Native Americans and Mestizos, with almost no whites at all. Why didn't they create the best nation ever?

Name any two European countries where the people were more different as either country was to the Republic of Congo.

Name any two European countries where the people were more different as either country was to the Republic of Congo.

White "racism", which to someone like you would be any white person who did not wish for his own race of people to die off, was responsible for white people's surviving throughout history, even against genetic odds in a mostly non-white world, and led to the creation of this country that you cheerlead for as the "greatest nation to ever exist". Why didn't a non-white race of people create such a great country? Why did Western culture develop in white areas by white people, instead of elsewhere?

Are you Jewish? Honest question.

Argumentum ad populum. What's even more ridiculous is that your view has been the minority opinion for the overwhelming majority of human history. Your progressive view has not even been the majority opinion for a half a century, and you have no way of knowing that it will continue. But I'm not naive enough to believe that you see "racism" as a problem. You just admitted that it's only "white racism" that you have a problem with. Other minorities, like blacks and Hispanics, are pretty much warring with each other in the streets of cities like Compton, as Marine already mentioned, but we won't see white progressives in Colorado complain about that, will we?

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I've already proven that you didn't tell anybody anything in your post #9. It was another failure prediction, Gorn.

Thanks,

 

Diversity is what drives evolution. If you only breed individuals who are the same, the species will never evolve.

This holds true for many things other than biology.

Broken down cars are cars that were never repaired or enhanced. If you never introduce changes to a car, yes, it will eventually break and stop working. And no, that is not preferable.

Cars constructed in the past are inferior to cars constructed now. Largely because of changed made in their design. If we were still using designs from the original cars, cars would now be much slower, less reliable, and less efficient. CHANGE (in design) is what allowed cars to evolve and become better over time.

There is no government policy forcing people to mate outside of their race. There has never been such a policy.

However...there HAVE been policies that did the opposite. That have forced people to choose only mates within their race. So you are not really helping your argument here.

So...if "whites" are the majority...what is stopping them from simply changing the laws? So that they do not have to pay this welfare anymore?

You keep clinging to this premise that people of shared genetic backgrounds also think alike and have the same opinions...and the empirical evidence clearly contradicts your premise. Like in really obvious ways.

...because white people do not want to breed within their own race or prevent non-whites from entering the country....

I don't see how you can keep ignoring that fact. If whites are the majority (and have been in the past) how did we ever get to this point? If all white people share your opinions, why were the boarders not sealed long ago? Why were laws changed to allow for interracial marriage?

You are claiming that white people all think alike. if they did, none of this should be happening right now.

 

There is more than enough genetic diversity in white people to ensure that it would survive. I guess it only became necessary to mix blacks and whites since the late 1960's for the survival of white people, or even black people? Ridiculous.

Of course it's not. Which is why I find your argument that white's are inferior because they will eventually be a minority to be ludicrous.

I gave examples of the Government policy I was referring to.

I never said they had the same opinions or that they think alike. Strawman.

When did I say "all white people" shared my opinions? When you are so desperate that you have to make up positions for me to argue against, it might be time for your to bow out instead of continuing to post dishonestly. That would be the "moral" position.

 

No, it was just mockery of your crude racial viewpoints.

That doesn't mean that all groupings are logical or evidence-based. Some of them are just based on delusions of superiority and ignorance of biological science, for example.

You have zero idea what I'm doing or where I am doing it. Please stop trying to bring my personal life into the discussion and concentrate on the topic, which is your inability to explain the archaic racial classification system you adhere to.

Your baseless speculation on my life and thought processes has no relevance or importance whatsoever.

In other words, a Jew is Jewish. Very informative. Clearly, you've put a lot of thought into this white nationalism thing.

No, my comments do not indicate that. They indicate that I do not take your crude racial belief system seriously. And you're the one who is on defense here. You are the one who refuses to answer a simple question about your ludicrous white nationalist ideology. I asked you to define "Jew" and all you can respond with is that they are a "Jewish". How do you plan to keep these Jewish Jews out of your "white" community? Are you going to check them for Jew gold? Or maybe you will put a limit on how big someone's nose can be? What criteria will you be using to keep your community pure?

 

I'm sure it was, but the fact remains that you wouldn't have even responded if I had not said something about Jews, specifically. Your reply indicates that you identify as one.

A baby doesn't understand something like superiority. He has a preference for people who look like his parents because of the close bonds he formed with his parents.

You've brought your personal life into discussions before. I see it as relevant. It's no different than you bringing up my previous posts on other subjects into various discussions.

I disagree.

I'll trust honest PF members will know who Jews are. Your attempt to redirect the conversation to something you can copy paste out of your Biology textbook is not going to be granted. You're too predictable.

That's a good point about the ability of Jews to enter white areas and masquerade as the majority. We saw that play out during the Bolshevik Revolution, where Jews would take on Russian surnames. Ultimately though, if there ever can be a homeland for white peoples, it wouldn't matter if there were Jews there preaching miscegenation or other whites who believe the same thing. Obviously the cultures and belief system would have to be agreed upon by the people in the community, otherwise it wouldn't work. It's really not that different from what you would have in an anarchist society. If there are people there who are secretly "statists", they would reveal themselves eventually, and then your community would have to figure out what to do in response.

 

Or it could simply imply that more diversity leads to more morality. It does not necessarily have anything to do with white specifically.

That is a specific example you used, not me. I did not give a specific example. Just an FYI "for those following along".

Not sure where you got the idea that such a nation would be diverse. "Whites" have nothing to do with anything. I've been trying to explain that to you for several pages now.

If Whites were all it took to make a superior culture, Europe should be the dominant power in the world right now.

So because they are less dissimilar that means they must be identical? Is that what you are saying?

It would be any person who makes fundamental distinctions based on race.

Sorry if you don't like the term, but that is what it actually means. If you make assumptions about people based on race, it makes you a racist by definition.

It was not the greatest because of them. If white people was all that were needed, Europe would be far ahead of us now. They have been more white, and for a lot longer. So there are obviously other variables besides race.

technically, they did. The United states is made up of people that are not white.

No, it is a pointless question. There is no way to verify it either way. If I claimed I was not you would just say I am lying. For all I know, you could be Jewish.

The only thing that is relevant are the ideas and facts expressed on here. Personal details mean nothing on an anonymous forum.

Sure it has. Racist ideology has gotten weaker over the last half century, not stronger.

I don't consider it a problem anymore. We've won. Anti-racism is the norm now, even in "racist" areas of the nation. Racists, who used to be the norm, are now seen as freaks and weirdos. Which is how it should be.

When did I say that? Quote please.

I think I said the exact opposite in Post #286 actually.

 

And you think survival is enough? Maybe that is why the "white race" is dying out.

Why do "white people" or "black people" need to survive separately? Races die out in nature all the time. They hybridize and are absorbed into each other, or they become isolated and separate.

No one forced blacks and whites to hybridize. There was no government mandate demanding that they do so. They CHOSE to do so. Which seems to contradict your premise that people of the same race think and believe alike, or that they only desire to be with "their own kind". How do you explain this?

When did I make the argument that white people in general are inferior to anything? Quote please.

I do not equate "white people" with "White racists". In my opinion they are not the same thing. One is a subset of the other. All white racists are white people, but not all white people are white racists.

LOL, no you didn't. Not a single reference.

So you are saying not all white people have the same opinions regarding race?

What happened to your "OMG people want to be with their own kind" argument? You seem to be admitting that most white people do not share your ideology.

Oh good, so we agree that you do not represent most white people in America. We are making progress.

 

No, it indicates that I am mocking your ridiculous racial belief system.

That describes your viewpoints on race very well, infantile. Maybe some day you will grow out of that phase.

You have no idea what I'm doing or where I am doing it, so even if it were relevant or appropriate (which it's not), your opinion would be based on pure specualtion. Fact is, you are just trying to distract people from your inability to defend and explain your white nationalist ideology. That is why you are trying to make the discussion about me and not about the definition of "Jew".

Then perhaps the moderators can help us clarify whether or not my personal life and circumstances have anything to do with the thread topic. Should I ask them?

In other words, you cannot or will not answer the question, proving what I already knew, that your white nationalist belief system is a joke, and that the only way to hide this fact is to attack your opponents and muddy the waters with irrelevancies about their personal life.

It's not a point, it's a series of questions, one you will refuse to answer because you do not have an adequate explanation of your delusional white nationalist belief system.

I ask again, how will you keep subversive "Jews" from infiltrating your "white" community and diluting its racial purity? Simply put, how are you going to stop a secret "Jew" from impregnating your "white" daughters?

 

Help me out here, which page of Mien Kampf is this on?

 

I think we have used the word racism many times when it doesn't apply. Liberals are famous for that. Lets look at what racism really means.


rac·ism
[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA

noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


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What's the rules to racism Liberals, because you use the word for most everything? People say the name Washington Redskins is racist, yet it was the native Americans that names the team and picked out the logo. How can that be racism?

When people see the Confederate battle flag, many people get offended and call it racist, because it reminds them of slavery, even if it's on the grill of an 18 wheeler. But I hardly hear of anyone demanding that Virginia and a few other states take down the statue of Robert E.Lee because it's offensive. Same with the statue of Gen Custer that is in the middle of down town in Monroe Mich. his home town.


Scout.com: The Song YMCA by The Village People is Now Racist....
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School Cancels ‘Y.M.C.A.’ Performance After Parent Complains It’s Racist... The YMCA song by the Village People is racist, our country has lost it's damn mind.

There are a million other examples of people calling things racist and there is no way we can satisfy everyone with their beliefs. We had a lot of racism 60 years and back. But I have never heard the word used so much as I have since Obama has become President and I think up to that time, the races were getting along better than any time in our history. Not now. It seems like everything we do or say now is either racist or bigotry. We seem to have a whole new set of morality and if you don't like it, or agree with it, your a racist, bigot, or religious fanatic.