A standard of evidense

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  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    Simply saying evidence exists does not make it so. If you had it, you would present it.
    Instead you whine.
     
  2. RtWngaFraud

    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    It's been presented over and over. Saying it hasn't been doesn't make it so. Proof of 93 being buried, for example...it you had it...you'd present it. Instead, you dodge, bob and weave.
     
  3. Hannibal

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    You were provided with direct sources. Just like with Jim Fetzer, the proof is at your fingertips, but you refuse to look.

    On the other hand, you have provided nothing but paranoid whining.
     
  4. RtWngaFraud

    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    Yes, yes...we know. A non answered phone number and an email address that doesn't respond to inquiries. Very convincing indeed. Got any irrefutable type proof, or just more email addresses? That would certainly extinguish speculation, don't you think?
     
  5. Hannibal

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    Funny - you seem to be the only one who 'can't get through'. There were multiple people and agencies listed. Whom did you attempt to contact? Funny how you can't seem to answer that.

    Did you ever contact Jim Fetzer?
     
  6. RtWngaFraud

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    I would but I'm still trying to find that buried plane in Shanksville that had it's engine bounce over some trees several football fields away. (that was really a kick azz engine huh?).
     
  7. Mushroom

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    Heck. I have discredited this myself. You (and others) claim that an aircraft does not just "vanish".

    I bring up the ValuJet Flight 592 crash of 1996. You may not remember it, but I remember it well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eylDlokUpuw

    Notice this scene. And tell me, how much is visible? And do not give me crap about it being covered by the swamp, most of this is covered by a mere inches of water. A DC-9 crashed here, and almost nothing is visible. And we have shown you many similar crash sceens. You ignore and blow off every single one.

    This is why I laugh at and blow off almost every conspiracy theorist. I find they are all 98% full of coprolite.
     
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    I saw the nose of the plane sticking out of the swamp (from very far away as well). It didn't vanish. Seems a plane DID actually crash there because I can see the evidence of it. This is counter to 9/11 where in Washington and in Pennsylvania they seem to have disappeared, buried underground, or (more likely) blew up all over the sky. Can't find that plane. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they salvage that plane and reassemble it to some degree?? That creates PROOF, you see, and that is the kind of PROOF that kills speculation of wild, magical stories of bouncing engines and phantom flights hitting just above grass top level and disappearing. Your point was...what?
     
  9. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Why is it so hard for you to grasp that a four ton engineoff of a plane that hit the ground at full speed would bounce and roll a goodly distance from the crash?
     
  10. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    considering it went nose down in the swamp, maybe you could provide pictures of the 'nose sticking out of the swamp'?
     
  11. Mushroom

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    Funny, because I am looking at this again, and see no such thing. I just watched this video 3 times, and saw no such thing. So please, let us know where on the film you are seeing this phantom nose.

    In fact, from everything I both remember about this crash and what I have seen most recently, there was very little recovered. In fact, most times after such a crash they take the recovered parts then reconstruct the aircraft in a hanger to try and figure out what happened.

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    This never happened with Valujet 592. The debris was simply to badly destroyed to even attempt to reconstruct it.

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    This aircraft was never reassembled. There was simply nothing left to reassemble. The thing hit nose down, and it essentially disintregrated. The largest pieces recovered were pretty much the tires and engines.

    So please, tell us where to find that nose sticking out of the swamp. Because I have looked through a lot of footage and photos of that disaster in the last hour, and found absolutely nothing like it.

    See, this is what keeps people like myself and Lone wondering what planet you come from. You see phantoms, and go screaming that something that is not there is really there. Where is this nose? Or is it all another conspiracy? It was there the first time you saw the clip, and dissapeared. And you just throw in "they reconstructed it", without even bothering to see if they actually did. This is why I largely consider you to be a fraud. You make silly claims, without doing any real research. Then when others do research, you blast away at it with more unsubstantiated theories and nonsense.

    And this is not the first, or third, or even fifth time I have thrown ValueJet 592 at you. I routinely bring up this example because so much of it is like the crash in Pennsylvania. High rate of speed, almost nose down, no large crater, very little debris recoverable.

    Or was this part of the plot, an attempt by {insert government agency here} back in 1996 to find a way to cover up a future plane crash?
     
  12. RtWngaFraud

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    I saw it in your link Sir..
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No,you did not
     
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    Try this just for fun. Ask them why the 13 dissenting witnesses are not truther plants?
     
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    Disinformation plants??? Interesting angle. You know, I think we should just have a real investigation into all this controversial stuff and settle it once and for all, then move on. One day of honest live TV Congressional questions and answers, with all the key players on both sides ought to suffice. It could even be over by lunch, considering the truther's case is so thin and all. Maybe even an hour?
     
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    If ANYONE actually thought truthers would move on once they were proven wrong I bet people would be more for wasting more money on what everyone but truthers already knows to be true. But since we (and by we I mean truthers as well) know truthers will NOT accept ANY report that doesn't tell them what their paranoid delusions have already convinced them is the truth, what is the point?

    Suffice to what? Prove it was Al Qaeda and dash the dreams of every truther out there?

    It would take less than five minutes to prove every single truther wrong. Put KSM on live TV and let him tell the world who was behind 9/11. Of course that still wouldn't prove anything to truthers. Delusions are such powerful things to the weak minded.
     
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    Truthers will accept the truth I'm confident. So far though, we haven't been shown much besides PERHAPS the date. Put up or shut up I would say is appropriate here. Open forum, and present the supposed evidence, allow interaction and the problem would go away if there weren't any such issues.



    Dash our dreams......PLEASE. Prove how ridiculous our allegations are...Oh...they WON'T. That's right.


    5 minutes? Well! If that's all it would take, then I don't understand the problem doing that. 5 minutes in exchange for the goobment to gain some credibility? You'd think they'd jump at the chance.
     
  18. Mushroom

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    That was my link. You can't even keep straight who gives you the information.

    And if it is there, then surely you can tell us at what minute and second it is visible. I have looked repeatedly and seen nothing like that at all.
     
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    Really? All they've done so far is run from the truth. Why won't they look at the evidence that is there now? Any investigation is going to contain that evidence because there is nothing to refute that evidence. All truthers come up with is "just because" and hope that is good enough. It isn't.

    What evidence would you accept? Evidence presented in a court of law?

    I already have. The lack of ability for you to see that isn't my problem. The very fact truthers can't defend their theories, have no evidence to back up their theories, and can't even state what really happened on 9/11 from start to finish does a far better job of proving how ridiculous truther allegations are than anything else. It is like the flat Earth society. They act just like truthers. No matter what evidence they are presented they turn their noses up at it and stick by their retarded theories.

    Except for the fact truthers don't accept anything anyone says or any evidence they don't like. Thus it would be useless for the government to do so. Besides, why would they want to convince the bare handful of nutjobs out there that don't believe the truth? Catering to them only gives them some small amount of legitimacy. We all know they don't even deserve that little crumb.
     
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    They could put it all to rest if they wanted to....they cannot, so they do not. 9/11 is a "hot potato" still to this day. It's taboo to speak of it. Put in on CSPAN, and hash it all out. Just do it man...the hell with all this nonsense of "official" dancing.
     
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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You make the claims, yet you can't explain how it is faulty, how it is supsect or how it is "inconsistent" with anything other than truther theories that HAVE no evidence.

    Again I call bull(*)(*)(*)(*). There are always strings with truthers. And they wonder why nobody believes them when they dismiss evidence just because it is "official". :lol:

    Except you would be lying your ass off. I can defend the theories no matter how much you want to deny it. I have all the evidence by your own admission. I can state from start to finish exactly what happened on 9/11. See? YOu need any MORE proof you would be lying?

    How do you put something to rest when a very small, but mentally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up segment of society refuses to look at evidence simply because they are too ignorant and too wrapped up in their agenda? I asked you what evidence you would accept. You don't want to accept anything "one sided or official". What more evidence does ANYONE need that truthers simply refuse to look at evidence for no other reason than to push their agenda?

    9/11 is no longer a hot potato. Truthers are dropping like flies because they can't keep up the bull(*)(*)(*)(*). It's been hashed out time and time again. You can't defend your own theories and neither can any other truther. This is proven post after post time after time. How does one prove ANYTHING to someone unwilling to look at, much less accept the truth?
     
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    He can't back up anything.

    I have asked him several times to provide the time in a video where he claimed to have seen the intact nose of an aircraft that crashed nose down. He has said more then once he saw this, but nobody else has. And he will not give us the time where the rest of us can see it.

    RtWngaFraud credability = 0%
     
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    My bad...shills kinda all look alike in their posts..
     

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