A teacher needs to teach outside of the subject material

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  1. Rampart

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    maybe you haven't noticed, but economics is subjective as well, and just as (if not more) controversial. )

    many schools assign "atlas shrugged" as a reading assignment. i'm not for banning anything, but ...........
     
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    Then you are as lucky as you are inconsiderate, so congratulations I guess.
     
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    Economics itself is not controversial. The part that is considered controversial is whether we should use capitalism or socialism or <insert whatever here> as an economic plan.
     
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    The learning of good manners which graciously accommodate difference, has to be centred on the giver. It's not a discussion of all the differences one might encounter - an absurdity in itself - it's a discussion of our response to those differences - whatever form they take. Highlighting the nature of the difference is exactly what we SHOULDN'T be doing, because that suggests the difference matters - which is contrary to the whole point of the exercise.

    If a teacher (or parent) is attempting to make the excercise all about the recipient's difference, there's another motive involved. And it's certainly not a motive in the interests of good manners.
     
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    A teacher's truth. The kid may have thought she neutralized the teacher in mom's yes ("Mr. Smith can't teach!" and "Mrs. Smith never explains...!"), but there's no defense against a adult truth teller.

    Now, that's real stranger danger!
     
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    Very well explained! Not understanding how education works may be one of the reasons why the extreme right has among their followers most of the least educated folk in this country.
     
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    The difference highlighted should be the one the kid is acting out over and it should be identified as "okay," perhaps contrary to a message from home, and then the offending student should be engaged around their behavior. It may be necessary to address the issue with the entire class.
    "Good manners" is a starting point. The teacher should validate the legitimacy of the recipient's difference.
     
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    It depends upon what we're talking about. If the negative behavior is around the obvious difference of two moms or two dads, we can probably limit the explanation to "some families have two moms or two dads" to those impacted. If the offending student gets into details on sexual practices and the entire class is involved, more needs to be said.
    There is very strong evidence, however, sexual preference isn't a choice.
    Teachers should avoid injecting their personal opinion as much as possible.
     
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    Long ago, we got crates of Ayn Rand books donated to the school by a Conservative group. They came with a set of lesson plans for "how to teach" her works. The lesson plans were mostly generic, but some of the extension activities were notably political. I've taught a few of her books, and she is quite political. However, it can be done in a way that provokes critical thinking rather than pushing Rand's politics. No one complained about having her books used in the classroom.
     
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    First let's just dismiss lawfare out of hand as it is just a far left garbage site that interprets the law in ways that even the insipid 9th circuit wouldn't even try. Suffice it to say that if you started talking about your sex life on the job anywhere you'd be lucky as hell if all you got was a reprimand for creating a hostile work environment.
     
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    What are you talking about? I cited the law itself, not an opinion about the law.
    Now, you're accusing teachers of talking about their sex lives? You didn't reply to a single point I made.

    I'm particularly concerned over the potential for harassing teachers for anything a parent doesn't like (read the law). We have a hard time attracting STEM instructors as it is. Having lawyers decide on how we do our job will be the final blow for a lot of teachers.
     
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    We have them on tape bragging about it...
     
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    Real easy just avoid teaching sex ed to k-3 and you don't have a problem. Not many stem teachers there anyway. This is about about having a more open process. The schools have almost exactly the same problem the RC church had a few years back and they're trying to handle it the same way.
     
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    Not according to the law.

    I could be subject to a court order as a remedy for something done in another school.
    Fewer all the time, thanks to rightwing extremists and the low pay.
    So, you're going to support laws that have lawyers, not qualified educators, deciding how teachers should teach.

    How about hiring better school administrators? How about DeSantis doing his job of running the schools?
     
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    Not how but what.
     
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    Four million public school teachers and you're going to get torqued over anecdotal examples?
     
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    Teachers don't set the curriculum, so we're not talking about what.
     

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