Abbas' book reveals: The 'Nazi-Zionist plot' of the Holocaust

Thunberbolt, are you now also perpetrating the MYTH that Abbas wrote of "the fantastic lie that six million Jews were killed" (in quotation marks in your post above, implying that it was a direct quote from Abbas), or are you in disagreement with the ZOA that he wrote that.

 

I have already told you twice that I won't debate with you any more.
Accept it.

 

Stuntman, you are making a HUGE mess of this and showing that you practice shallow reasoning and logic. The reason that I write this is that that quote of Abbas which you now claim is unproven, came from the very reference that YOU PROVIDED, but now you are disputing that it is proof. That is just such utterly bizarre reasoning.

I thereby consider that my point is made that Abbas never wrote that the 6 million number was a lie; he simply wrote that it cannot be proved, and that the numbers offered vary from 1 million to 10 million. Since these are established facts (see your own source) I have no further need to refute your chats to a myriad of strawmen, while stubbornly refusing to address your claim of him writing that it was a “lie”, and not recognising that his main thesis was collaboration between Zionists and Nazis, just as the LEHI had attempted.

Done and dusted. No need to debate with those suffering from the Isaiah 44:18 syndrome.

So here we have a blatant case of yet another Zionist Myth being created (that Abbas called the 6 million number a lie), and it is now being perpetrated as high up as the ZOA. That will guarantee its endless repetition. Not that the ZOA has not been caught out in the past of having invented new "truths", and even threatening Americans who don't agree with their version of those truths. Nice bunch of folk..

But why is this new MYTH necessary? Simple – so that Abbas can be besmirched, and that, combined with the fact that he is responsible for the peace negotiations on behalf of the Palestinians, Israel-zealots can claim that he is not an acceptable negotiating party and that therefore Israel can continue its land theft in the occupied territories, and place yet more squatters there illegally.

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Then don't post - simple.
It is my democratic right on this forum to respond to any post that I want to. Your choice to use silence as your defence; but I am not bound by it.

 

You can post, whatever you want, but stop adressing me.
Like this

 

You can tell as many people as you like, the fact is we will continue to post against untruths whether they come from you or anyone else.
If you choose silence as a response then that is your choice, but we will not be silenced by the lie that opposition to Israel is anti-Semitism, we accept nothing from you except your right to silence.

The attempt to show Abbas as a Holocaust denier is a lie, but even if true it has no bearing on on the Two State Solution, whilst Israel lunges ever further towards an ethnocracy, I and others will bare witness. We live in hope that the crimes of Israel will be used against her in the court of public opinion if not through the BDS movement or the courts.

The Palestinians are the victims of a colonialist land grab, their voice will be heard.

 

Sorry Thunderbolt in polite society we use the name of the person we are addressing, even if they are not.
Your only right is silence, nothing else. Read the forum rules.

 

Thunderbolt if you do not want to be in communication with someone you can put them on 'ignore' from your control panel. That way when you are signed in you will not be able to see what they say.

 

You cant prove something based on misqouting thing and on your own political agenda, it is just not gorrect to do so. Abbas political agenda is not a proof of anything! therefore he cant rely his thesis on this agenda,
Abbas cant rely his thesis on his opinions or on deflected qoutes that were never been said, that is not how you make a relaible and valid research.

So once again I ask you, if it cant be proven why he felt the need to misqoute two historians (one to address the number issue and the other to address the existance of gas chambers) and by that to try to make his claim a fact? The acts that Abbas did to try to prove his claim by misqouting historians debuked you own claim, therefore, you debunked yourself.

The story of ettempts of the Lehi to collaborete with hitler is just a story, it was never been proven. BUT if you dont like to recognize it, so you simply need to read thewhole story, because hitler himself in that story rejected to collaborete with the Lehi, thus, there was no collaboreting with the Zionists.

This personal attacks you are preforming in this comment and in the previous one, dont make you justice, it just shows that it just what was left for you to say about what I wrote, but of course it doesnt contridact what I wrote. It shows despair on your behalf.

As I wrote, Abbas tried to prove his claim (that there were less then 1 million) by misqouting historians and use his personal opinions, when he use them, he showed that his thesis wasnt based on nothing.

BTW- if you think this is a myth why you try so hard to prove it wrong? I mean, myths cant be proven!! which means that you try to show me that I wrong, but in other hand by that you are crashing the meaning of "Myth", this is a little bit odd!!

1. Abbas maybe took plaec in Oslo, but in the other hand he was part of an organization (PLO) that started the second intifadah, a little bit weird. He also called for day of rage while the riots in Jerusalem continued, a little bit weird on someone that want peace.
2. the PLO in 2008 wrote that there is lands in the West Bank like in Gaza, that belong to the Jews, and according to international law they must to retreive those lands back to their owners, still it never been retreived, the PLO breaking international law and you dont care.

 

Can you point to a forum rule that prohibits me addressing a poster?

 

You were unable to show where in his book Abbas wrote that the figure of 6 million people was a lie. What he in fact wrote was that the figure cannot be proved or disproved. And it was YOU who showed THAT to be a fact. End of story.

 

Once again, if you say that he just wanted to write that this figure cant be proved or disproved, why did he felt the need to misqouted those historians? and let us not forget that one of those misqouting was to not just refer that the figure was lower but also to "prove" that there was not such thing as gas chambers, a little bit odd for someone thatsay that this figure (6 million) cant be prove or disprove.

 

You were unable to show where in his book Abbas wrote that the figure of 6 million people was a lie. What he in fact wrote was that the figure cannot be proved or disproved. And it was YOU who showed THAT to be a fact. End of story.

 

You once again repeat yourself without refering to what I wrote. I want your answer about what I wrote.

But still once again i will try to get your answer:

Waiting for your answer and not for your evoidance tactics.

 

I don't feel any need whatsoever for linking Abbas' writing that the 6 million figure could not be proved or disproved, with his reported misquoting of a historian. On the other hand I am more than satisfied that Abbas' explanation to Haaretz in 2003 - http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/u-s-told-us-to-ignore-israeli-map-reservations-1.8840 - is a faithful reflection of his book. If it were not, Zionist deniers would have quoted chapter and verse:

You were unable to show where in his book Abbas wrote that the figure of 6 million people was a lie. What he in fact wrote was that the figure cannot be proved or disproved. And it was YOU who showed THAT to be a fact. End of story.

 

You are keep repeating that Abbas wrote that this figure cant be proved or disproved, but still the question is been asked:

I dont know why you are so afreid to answer this question without repearing yourself.

 

6 Million figure is , AFA I've found out - is a puzzling figure.


SIX MILLION JEWS 1915 - 1938


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I scratch my head .

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the more conservative estimates arw 5.3 million Jews.

but any honest and intelligent comparison of pre-war data and post-war data shows at least 5 million Jews have dissapeared.

 

I suggest going to a pharmacist for some relief from the itch.

Once again you post bullcrap denialist propaganda.

Guess what? there were nearly 6 million jews in Russia at the time. Oh my I wonder where they got the number 6 million from?

why the Russian empire census of 1897.

Of course everyone knows that its results were later falsified by the jewish Bolsheviks 20 years after the fact, so they could claim 25 years later that 6 million jews died in ww2.

At least you are consistent.






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I have not idea why he misquoted a historian. Perhaps, as a student and in order to prove his point that there were a wide range of estimates of "the figure" he was not diligent enough in the case of that particular source. But I need to remind you where all of this debate between is started. It was when you wrote the following,

... and ever since then I have been trying to get you to show me where Abbas wrote the "lie" claim, and you have been frantically avoiding admitting that you can't - by deflecting away from your inability, and asking me why he misquoted. Your inability to prove your original claim is crystal clear.

That is enough deflecting. Let us progress - Is Abbas' MAIN thesis correct? Was there collaboration between the Zionists and the Nazis?

 

according to you, about wha tyou think he wrote, that Abbas said that thsfigure cant beprve or diprove, so if so why he felt the need to misqouted the historians? because if he tried to prove that this figure cant be prove or dsprove, so actually he crashed his own idea, therefore, he didnt do it to prove that!

Furtheremore, if he he talked about the figure why he felt the need to misqoute one historians about the gas chambers? because if his thesis based on that reason that this figure cant be prove, why he felt the need to "prove' that the gas chambers wasnt existed? very very odd!! and by that you can see that this thesis, and that "he only talked about that this figure cnat be proved or dosproved", is really doesnt add up with what he actually wrote in his thesis.

I didnt evoiding, i showed you, and explained to you, that what he wrote there wasnt add up with what you said that "he claimed that this figure cant be proved or dispeoved", and by that you can see that it deosnt make sanse at all with what he actually wrote.

Furtheremore, if e didnt lie, why doesnt he sad on an interview in Ma'ariv nespeper, that he wrote it because of the conflict and would never wrote it nw (1995) because Oslo? it is very very odd that someone try to write a valid report about someone but actually relie and driven his report from his own opionion? therefore, you cant say his book was valid, or correct, beacuse if you base your report on you opinion you make the report to be correct because you dont driven by historical facts by by own opioion.

no he dnt correct!! why? because according to your opinion the Lehi tried to collaboreted with hitler, but it isnt true, why? because if you will read all the story you will figure out that hitler rejected this collaboretion with the Lehi, therefore, you cant say they collaboreted with him.
The onestat collaboreted with the Nazis were the Arabs led by Haj Amin al-Husseini.

 

Thank you for confirming that you cannot show where Abbas wrote that "the figure" was a lie.
Anything new?

 

I'm still waiting for you answers about the questions I asked you.

I wrote to you that I just showed to you and explained to you about it, and what he wrote the doesnt add up with what you say was his claim. And you keep ignoring what he said in Ma'ariv in 1995, which shows without no doubt that he wrote it based on his own political opinion and not based on facts, therefore, his thesis was not valid and not true.

Please stop with the evoidance tactics and start refering to my questions, and if you wont answer them it will debunked your claim.